On this week’s episode of Period Story Podcast, I was so pleased to speak with Zachi Brewster. Zachi is a sex & pleasure educator, abortion & miscarriage doula and a freelance community manager for reproductive wellbeing organisations. She holds space for people to trust and feel at home in their bodies, starting the conversations that matter and building communities around our shared stories.
We had a wonderful conversation about Zachi’s work, her first period story and how she learned about what is normal for her when it comes to her period.
She says that tracking and sharing about her period and menstrual cycle on Instagram has opened up her understanding. She says that IG’s the first app she’s used to diligently track her period, which she found very surprising.
Zachi says that she’s reduced her resistance to herself and the friction she felt towards her period. She says her doula training helped her drop this resistance and change her mindset around her period.
Zachi talks about her work as an abortion and miscarriage doula, which is so fascinating. She says these experiences can impact us years down the line and it’s so important to talk and get support so you can move forwards.
Finally, Zachi talks about her work as a sex and pleasure educator. She says that pleasure is a huge part of sex and that we need to talk about this more. She believes we’re doing young people a disservice by not talking about pleasure during sex education lessons.
Zachi says that it’s so important to take the time to understand yourself and how you can apply this understanding into different areas of your life: your menstrual cycle, your diet, your mood, your energy and I completely agree!
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ZACHI’S BIO
Zachi Brewster is a sex & pleasure educator, abortion & miscarriage doula and a freelance community manager for reproductive wellbeing organisations. She holds space for people to trust and feel at home in their bodies, starting the conversations that matter and building communities around our shared stories.
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SHOW TRANSCRIPT
Le’Nise: On today’s episode, we have Zachi Brewster. Zachi is a sex and pleasure educator, abortion and miscarriage Doula and a freelance community manager for reproductive wellbeing organisations. She holds space for people to trust and feel at home in their bodies, starting the conversations that matter and building communities around our shared stories. Welcome to the show.
Zachi: Thank you for having me. Thank you, lovely to be here.
Le’Nise: Let’s start off with the question I always ask. So, tell me the story of your first period.
Zachi: I feel like as first periods go; it was pretty calm. I remember I had cramps for like two days and it was a weekend. I remember that because I was at home, but I hadn’t realised it was cramps. I just knew that I had this stomach pain and it wasn’t going away and it’s making me upset. And then I think in the middle of the night, I got up and went to the loo and there was blood. And I was like, oh, I was in quite like a dozy state and so I went and wake my mum up and she was like, there’s pads in the bathroom. And I put one on and I went back to bed and that was pretty much it, it’s pretty boring, but I think that as first periods go, I’d rather that than like something public or explosive.
Le’Nise: How old were you?
Zachi: I think I was around 13. But I felt quite late because a lot of my friends had already started. My older sister had, most of my cousins at that time were older than me, so I felt like the last one. So, I was just like, please come, please come. And then when it did, it came and it was like, okay, fine, life goes on.
Le’Nise: And when you’re in the middle of the night, when your mum said, okay, there are pads in the bathroom. How did you know how to put it on?
Zachi: Because I’d actually tried on pads before, I think from school, but also having my older sister, my mum, my cousins, I knew more or less how they worked so it was quite normal and self-explanatory, I guess. And I think that I was just like I’ll deal with it in the morning and then that’s it.
Le’Nise: So, you said you deal with in the morning and then what did you do? Did you speak to your mum or your older sister?
Zachi: So, I spoke to my mum in the middle of the night. And then when I woke up, I think it really hit, but it was more very practical. I mean my mum’s always lovely and she was like, “Okay so now you do this, and you do this.” And I was like, “Okay, that’s fine.” But because I also felt like I was part of this club. I think I was pretty cool about it. I was like, “No, I’ve got this, I know what I’m doing.”
Le’Nise: And when you went to school because you said you were one of the last of your friends to get it. Did you have a conversation with your friends about it? And if you did, how did that go?
Zachi: I think I called my best friend at the time, the morning or the afternoon after. But I remember feeling like pretty cool, like, okay, this means like I’m an adult now or something, which obviously it doesn’t. But I think I probably had a conversation with my friends about it, but I think I played it down like, yeah, no, I just have got these pads in my bag because I’ve got my period or something like that. I’m pretty sure it was something like that. But yeah, I was quite happy. I was really happy when it started actually.
Le’Nise: Did that happiness continue as you, you know, started to get more and more cycles?
Zachi: Yes and no, because I’ve never really had sort of problems, I guess. I think the thing that I found confusing was what you’re taught in school, that it’s a 28 day cycle and you bleed for, I think we were told three to five days. So, from the first day up until now, which is almost like fifteen years of having a period, my period’s always been seven days long and relatively heavy and with clots. And so that was the thing that I struggled with in feeling maybe slightly abnormal or tired, like, really tired during my period of like a is this normal? Is it normal to bleed for this long? Is it normal to have such heavy periods? Are clots normal?
So all of that, that wasn’t a conversation with that sort of phrasing I had with my friends, I just knew that many of them had really short periods or suddenly like from when we were 15 were on the pill, either for like contraception or to manage their periods. So, I think it was like not having the wider conversation of the variations that you can have with your periods. I think I struggled with that because although I could talk to my mum and my sister, my friends. I think there’s a lot of assumption around periods that you just deal with it and you know what you’re doing and so you don’t complain too much because it’s like, well, everyone else gets on with it so I just have to get on with it, whilst at the same time you’re thinking am I normal? Is this how it’s meant to be?
Le’Nise: So, when did you learn about what normal actually is and what that meant for you in terms of your period?
Zachi: I would say I’m still learning, like I found my normal and I was like, okay, seven days doesn’t mean that, I mean, I was anaemic but it doesn’t mean that I’ve lost, like, all the blood in my body and clots happen. I used to have a lot more clots when I was younger. I don’t really get them anymore, but it was sort of like after a while and then having small conversations or someone mentioned something here or there and now especially that I’ve started tracking and sharing it on Instagram as well. I’ve had so many more, like seeing the response from people like, “Oh yeah, I get inner thigh pain and “Yeah like my vulva aches on day one but I never knew that was normal” or “Yeah I never connected my anxiety to the week before my period until now.” And I’m like, oh, all of these things are normal. Like I think when we think about periods, it’s the focus is very much on the bleed, rather the cycle. And I think if we look at the cycle, which is also, I’ve only been doing this for the last few months, so that’s why I said I think now I’m really starting to learn and I’m almost 28 and I’m like, well, why don’t we have these conversations when you’re younger or like when you’re a child before your period even starts? It would help, I think, many people feel a lot more comfortable and a lot more trusting and a lot more able to navigate their bodies, even with healthcare professionals, in knowing what to normal and then when you need to ask for help and what you’re actually asking for help for.
Le’Nise: What made you decide to start tracking your menstrual cycle?
Zachi: I tried with apps before, but I always forget. I think my first day of my period is when I’m bravest and I think I was on Instagram one day and I was like, oh, it’s the first day of my period. And I talk a lot about bodies and womb happenings, but I never really talked about periods. And I don’t know what I was talking about and I would say I’m feeling really bold and energetic today because it’s the first day of my period. And then a few people commented back, well me too, I was like, hey, would you be interested if I tracked it? So, the first app I really use diligently to track my period was actually Instagram, which is very surprising. A lot of the work I do has been very personal and intimate for myself, but what has helped me, and I realised one of the greatest tools of supporting each other is making it a conversation.
Le’Nise: You said that you feel really bold and brave on the first day of your period. Has it always been that way or is it something that you’ve just started to realise that happens on the first day of your period?
Zachi: Um, I think I’ve just started to realise. Also, because it’s not always like that every month, sometimes it’s very much like I do not want to speak to anyone today. Do not speak to me. Do not come near me. Just give me food and I’ll be fine. But I realise more and more that the more I’m aware of myself, I realise my energy drops before. The more I listen to my body and know what works for me, actually, I’m able to manage my energy levels. And so, when it comes, it’s like I’ve had this drop in energy, drop in mood. And then when it comes, it’s like every month I forget, even if I know it’s coming like, oh that’s why I was like that and then it’s like, yeah, okay, now we can move forwards. I think that’s where that energy also comes from in the sense of like, yeah, I’m starting to really enjoy my body and learning more about my body and so when these moments come up, I embrace them a lot more. And I realise having reduced my resistance to myself, if that makes sense, I guess I feel more entertained and curious about myself, which makes the process slightly easier and fun.
Le’Nise: That’s an interesting phrase you use in resistance to yourself. So, talk a little bit more about what that means?
Zachi: I’m saying all of this from having experienced very heavy, very painful periods. Although I was always happy about my period, I did resist it coming. I was like, “Why are mine this long? Why can’t I just move it to another time?” There was always some sort of friction with it. And I realised that I didn’t want to be on hormonal contraception to stop them completely. There’s something about feeding into my body, I knew deep down, like, do you want to feed into this? And there’s something about this that I know I like happening every month. But at the same time, it was sort of dread and irritation and everything around it, especially having heavy periods, like knowing, okay, if I’m out today, this is day three or day 4 so I’m gonna have to be in a place where I can have a nice ish bathroom where it’s so nice enough to change myself and look after myself. And it was those small things that were really like, I don’t want to have to deal with this. And so, I would resist having a period and resent it and not like myself through that whole process for my moods and I think that that just adds to it. One thing I’ve learned, which is sort of like, sorry, there’s a police car, if you can hear that in the background.
And one thing I’ve learned, especially through my training as a Doula and looking at birth is, I mean, it sounds very simplistic when you say it, but the resistance that you have, it doesn’t enable the process, doesn’t help the process, and it actually doesn’t reduce pain. If anything, it adds to mental weight and the physical load as well. So, I think finding ways to work with surges or contractions when you’re giving birth, help the process, understanding what’s actually going on at that time and through that process helps you work with your body. And so, as I was learning more in the birth world, I sort of tried to apply that to myself just through a period. And it sounds like from I mean, it sounds like there’s a world of difference and there is from like birthing a baby and having a period. But if we look at it in terms of mental state and mindset, and again, I’m talking from someone with relatively manageable period symptoms. I know it’s not like that for everyone, but I found at least for me, the change in mindset helped change my experience of my cycle each month completely.
Le’Nise: And so, the work that you do as a Doula and as an educator and tracking your cycle has changed the way that you view your period and menstrual cycle. How has it changed the way that you speak to others in your work?
Zachi: I think sometimes as an educator, you can learn information and then the way you put it out is like, so this is how it works. And I think I’m much less like that and more like actually you have to do the work and to feel into yourself and feel what works for you. And because I realise that that’s what I’ve had to do. If not, we go back to this old way of teaching periods like when you’re in school of, this is the cycle, this is how this works, this is how many days it’s going to be, this is the type of blood you should expect on your first day. When actually I think the aim is not to teach knowledge, but to teach people to understand their bodies. And the only way to understand your body is to know yourself. And so, I think it’s less about teaching sort of an ABC and more like, so what’s your language? What language does your body speak? And giving people the tools to access that for themselves. That’s how I think I’ve grown as an educator and how I feel that I can impact and support my community and the people I work with better.
Le’Nise: So, in terms of the work that you do, you do a lot of different things. How did you fall into this line of work?
Zachi: So, I studied food and lived in Italy for seven years and I studied at the Slow Food University, which is all about good, clean and fair food and looking at food heritage, food science, food culture. And I also did my masters in food design. And in between that time, I had a miscarriage, so I hadn’t really thought about my body before that. And it’s only from that experience that I suddenly thought, ah! I mean, I was forced to connect with my body through that experience. And it’s only through that experience that I realised that the experiences that we go through, at least this was my truth, with our wombs impact every area of our lives. And so, it was from my experience that I thought there is a lack of support and knowledge that really connects with people out there. And I think I started this as sort of like my own healing journey and then realised that this is interesting and necessary and how I want to be of use in my community, because there weren’t that many women, especially around me at the time, that I could see that we’re talking about this, especially black women, women of colour and queer people as well. And so, I’m very grateful, especially I think we’ve connected over Instagram that we are a lot more visible and that people can see us, and we can have these conversations. Like, if I thought about this six years ago, I’d never imagined that I’d be talking about periods with you on a Friday morning or doing the work that I do. So, I think that’s how I came into this world of wombs and periods and abortions and reproductive and sexual wellbeing and growth, I guess.
Le’Nise: I’ve never encountered an abortion and miscarriage Doula before and I know that when I had a miscarriage, I would have loved to have used a service such as this because I was lost at that time. So, this is about seven years ago, but it was still something that wasn’t really discussed. And now my thinking is so, so much different on it. And I talk about it a lot because it’s just, you know, it’s something that just happens, and we can’t sweep it under the carpet. How do you connect with people? How would someone be able to even access your services?
Zachi: So, I’m mostly active on Instagram. My website is coming, I’ve said that for the past few months, but it is. Most of the people I’ve worked with have been through Instagram and through word of mouth because it doesn’t pay my bills and I didn’t start it as a service to make money. It’s more sort of I know I need to maintain myself, but that’s why I do such a range of things, because each of them like fills my heart a bit and also my head. And I’m learning and I’m supporting. And so, for now, I’m happy like that. I’m looking to make more resources so that people can support themselves if they don’t want to speak to me. But yes, that’s how everyone’s come to me. And the support for each person is different with miscarriage. Sometimes it’s a few months or even like a year down the line that people get in touch with me, because I think at least for me, that was as if I look at from the day it happened to when I started to feel back to myself, that was almost a two year process, which I think for some people that maybe haven’t experienced anything like that sounds a bit crazy, but that’s how it is for many people. And a similar thing, a similar sort of time scale with abortion, although some people would get in touch maybe before if they’re planning because they just need to talk it out with someone. Both of them intimate experiences and although you may have a good support network around you, sometimes it’s nice just to speak to someone that’s completely outside. And I just want to say I never offer advice on what should be done. I’m very much a listening ear. And as a Doula it’s in the birth sense or postnatally, it’s someone that’s there to support emotionally and physically, then that’s what I do with abortion and miscarriage. And a lot is talking because I think talking is very therapeutic. But it’s more tailored to help people also feel in touch with their bodies as well through these experiences.
Le’Nise: So, if I was to get in touch with you for, say, an abortion or after an abortion or a miscarriage, can you just talk through step by step how the process would work?
Zachi: So, I always do an initial 15-20 minute call with someone just for them to tell me where they’re stuck and what they need and their story. And that’s for me just to listen and to explain my services and them from there I will always write a follow up email of this is how I can help because I think also, I think it’s a two-way street. Like we said when we started this call, it’s nice to see someone and connect with someone. And I always leave space for if they don’t feel they connect with me and also for myself, if I don’t feel I connect with them. And so that initial call gives me time to also see, do they need help maybe from an actual therapist? Is this bigger than what I’m able to support with? How I can help them if I can’t, to signpost them and also for them to have a chance to sit with, is this the type of support I need? And do I want it from Zachi so then I send off a follow up email.
Most people I’ve worked with has been through Skype or Zoom just because of people in Cambridge, people up in Manchester as well and you can’t sort of organise a meeting one hour every week or whatever it is. And then from there, I’ll see what the needs are. So, when it comes to abortion, it might just be one or two calls before an abortion, like how can I prepare myself mentally? How can I prepare myself physically? For many people after abortion I suggest a four-week programme that I do, which consists of 45 minutes to one hour calls weekly. And it’s a chance for them to talk as well as for me to share exercises and to practice these exercises of getting in touch with their bodies. I have a sort of skeleton and then adapt it to people’s needs, whether they’re pre, post, how post, whether it’s just a listening ear or whether they need maybe more support in connecting with their bodies. And I like to keep that pretty flexible because it’s such a personal and intimate experience that I can’t say this is the course and follow it and it’s a six-week course and by the end of it, you’ll feel like this. So, for many people, it’s 4 weeks then some people we extend to 6 weeks. Some people I’m still in touch with that we’ve become friends. It’s a whole mix of experiences and people.
Le’Nise: It must be so fulfilling the work that you do. Seeing the change that you can elicit in people through just the questions you ask and the tailored structure that you provide.
Zachi: When I think about it, I actually feel quite emotional and also quite sad that it is not a common service. And I know that services are stretched, and I know that after a miscarriage and abortion, sometimes, not even all the time, you’re offered counselling but it’s so generic. And I know it goes deeper than book a few phone calls with an NHS counsellor. So, I’m very happy I do what I do. But I think I would love to find ways and I am working with people to find ways to make it more accessible in terms of, this is something that is so normal in our community that you can speak to someone and I would also say that there are a lot of Doulas out there that do this work, but to anyone that’s looking, I would say, for support around this, of course you get in touch with me, but if you don’t vibe with me as well, do reach out to other Doulas and look for Doulas because some of them it might not be the first thing you see on their website but a lot do offer abortion support. Maybe not like I do, but there are a growing number of resources and it’s still not that much.
But we are growing in this area of support and I hope to see it flourish in the future because it’s very much needed. I mean, these experiences sometimes impact us years down the line, but like even speaking to women like from 10, 20, 30 years ago, they had a miscarriage or an abortion and it’s still this stuck energy in them and it’s impacted on relationships, children, parenthood, how they feel about their own bodies, it’s impacted on sex, that’s how I got into talking about sex and pleasure because I realised that these experiences can impact our sexuality, like even feeling sexual for yourself, some people can’t touch themselves for ages or indefinitely after. And all of this is connected, your self-esteem, how you feel at work, your mental health. And that’s why I think that it should be a key part of reproductive health services, I think.
Le’Nise: And you mentioned your work as a sex and pleasure educator. Can you talk a little bit about that?
Zachi: So, I run womb workshops, I talk on panels, I’m creating programmes for schools now as well. I came about it in a sort of roundabout way, but I realised like with period education, that sex education, I did a course a little while back and I said to the tutor, it was a sex educators course and I said to the tutor, but like, there’s no talk about pleasure in any of this. And it was a really great course, it was a fantastic course. And they were like, yeah, we don’t really talk about pleasure. I was like, how can you not talk about pleasure? When actually I think focusing it from that angle, which is why the main reason that many people are sexually active with themselves, with partners is for pleasure. And for me, it’s like with period talk, we don’t talk about the range of what is normal within the period or the range of experiences. We’re doing a huge disservice, especially to young people, if we negate that that is a huge factor of sex. And I think coming at these issues, arguments, for want of a better word, from just a very base level, which is something that we don’t often do, can increase engagement and education and learning so much more, and I realise that I’ve worked mostly with adults and older people talking about this. And I realise that many people have never spoken about pleasure and I’m like, well, you’re like 50 and you’ve never spoken about pleasure, but you’ve been having sex for like the past 30 something years and it’s like no, I’ve never thought of pleasure. It’s like, oh, okay, we really need to have this conversation. We really need to have these conversations.
Le’Nise: Why do you think sex and pleasure have been so divorced from each other in terms of education and even think about education that we get around sex in schools. Why do you think those conversations have been so separate?
Zachi: I know it’s because sex education is tricky in terms of society, in the sense that especially with young people, it’s about keeping STIs low and teen birth rates low. And so, I think the fear is if you talk about pleasure, you’re telling them that they should have sex because it can be pleasurable. And so, I think that there’s a fear and maybe people haven’t found the right way to both educate and please the schools and parents of talking about pleasure. And I think those are the two main fears of teachers, school governors, school boards, the general education sector of no, we can’t talk about pleasure because then young people want to do it, like young people want to do it anyway. So, if they want to do it, at least let’s give them the tools to communicate.
And talking about pleasure is not just so that young people have better sex, it impacts communication. If you know what works for you, you can communicate that to your partner, and you can also communicate when things aren’t working for you. So, it filters down into from what pleasure means to me, from like looking at erotic material, from porn to communication to body literacy. It encompasses all of that. It’s not teaching young people how to have better orgasms. Like, no, we need to move forwards from that point of view. So that’s what I hope to bring to the table.
Le’Nise: And you mentioned, you know, looking at erotic material and porn. Have you seen examples of where you have been doing this education work and it shifted the way that people think young people think about sex away from this kind of what you see in porn to a more realistic depiction of sex and pleasure?
Zachi: So, yes, to your answer, I think because we don’t talk about it. So young people’s go to is porn or social media. When actually we could even have discussions about an okay like erotic material, like what about reading a book? And I’m not talking 50 Shades of Grey. There are many like erotic literature on there’s apps now. So, I also wrote an erotic story for Ferly, which is a women’s pleasure app, or there’s Dipsea. There’s audio erotica and that’s gentle. I find that talking about those two ways of accessing material outside of visually is a much gentler way because it allows young people to use their imagination. And although you are reading and absorbing information, you can create a scene in your head and that’s a much healthier way of viewing and creating ideas around sex, rather than saying watch this, condition yourself to only like this, or that this is the only way. And you can have so much more fun with your own mind or saying to young people or this applies to anyone at any age that has never thought about this before, like, okay, write a list, you don’t have to share it with anyone. And I would never also do this in a classroom, just as a caveat. But to say, aside from the porn you watch because most people have watched porn by the time I think the stats say by the time a young person is 13 or 12, they’ve seen some form of porn, whether it’s in social media or someone sharing it in a WhatsApp group or actively seeking porn. But I think that asking young people to use their imaginations and to create scenarios or ideas for themselves puts them in a position to understand themselves more, feel maybe less weird, and be conditioned less. And yes, have better sex and feel better in their bodies. I think that that’s the that’s the whole point. But a lot comes down to self-esteem and if you’re just consuming material, that’s someone else’s idea then you have no chance, especially at that young age, to form your own ideas around it. And I think that that leads also into sexuality, from body image to sexuality to looking at body shape and body positivity or body neutrality is what some people are looking at now. If you only see one or two types of people or two types of relationship, then that leaves no space for your own exploration and your own sense of self.
Le’Nise: What would you say to a parent who knows that they need to have this conversation with their child? So, my son is 6, I talk to him about sex, but not on nearly on the level that we’re talking about today, it’s too advanced. But I know that in, say, four or five years, I’m going to have to have more detailed conversation. What sort of tools would you give to a parent like me that would have to have this conversation with their child?
Zachi: I think sometimes we focus a lot on sex and its more sort of the conversations that come before that. Like you said, the conversation we’re having right now is too much for a 6 year old. He probably doesn’t even get half the things we’re talking about, but it comes before that in the sense of communicating, like creating a space where your son, your child is able to communicate freely with you about their bodies. What’s changing? Even like looking at different the body as a whole, not just sexual organs, like look how your feet have grown or like now you’re this age and keeping it age appropriate. So, the things that are age appropriate, like kids understand their bodies and they can also understand the differences that come with age, but I also think that following your son’s lead and there’s a lot of fear of when do I have this conversation? And some of it is like your son will let you know when he’s ready to have this conversation.
But it first starts with creating that environment where you can have this conversation and the questions will come. And when they come, one thing we learned in our course, which I really liked is, when a question is asked by a child always respond, but you don’t always have to answer directly. And that gives you space to make it appropriate for that child in that situation, in that moment, but always respond and never say, no, no, no, we can’t talk about that because that shuts them down. It starts a shame cycle. And then it’s like, what? I can’t have these conversations. So, follow your son’s lead. It doesn’t have to be a sit-down conversation, just answer questions as they come, and they will come.
Le’Nise: And what would you say to a parent who is less open to sexuality themselves, but knows that they need to have these conversations but feels quite typically British in the way they feel quite embarrassed about having such an intimate conversation?
Zachi: Um, I think making it normal, so I know there’s been a huge movement. I feel like it shouldn’t be a movement, but it is in terms of diversity in children’s books. So, if you are buying books even for your children, like maybe buying a book where the parents are not heterosexual or something like that without making a huge point of it. But having that book is something that you’ve bought, and you’ve decided to read with your child is like, oh yeah, it’s two dads or two mums but the story goes on. And I think that’s what saying before, like there’s a fear of, this is going to be a big, hard conversation when actually it’s just about making these conversations very normal because kids I mean, they’re asking you like, ‘why is the sky blue?’ Next minute and then they’re asking you what’s for dinner? Like two seconds later and you haven’t even finished in your head. Kids aren’t caught on this like, I need to know this answer now, things flow through their brains so fast that it’s just about making these things normal, like, oh, those two guys are holding hands. It’s like, oh, yeah, they’re holding hands like, I hold hands with my partner or whoever, maybe they’re in love. And then you keep the conversation moving. It’s just about making these things normal from periods to sex to relationships and sexuality.
Le’Nise: So, make it normal so we can remove the shame around these conversations and topics. So, you’ve said a lot of really amazing pearls of wisdom during our conversation, if listeners take one thing away from this conversation, what would you want that to be?
Zachi: I would say take the time to understand yourself whether you can apply that into different areas of your life. It can be from looking at how your diet affects you to looking at your period over a month, but not just the bleeding part, but looking at your moods over that month, like is it related to your period? And the more you track yourself, whether it’s food, your cycle, sexually, you could even track the moments over time when you feel super turned on or horny and be like is that related to my cycle? Is that related to my mental health? So, it’s about joining the dots, but I would say try to understand yourself to sort of like one variable that you want to track and then look at that variable in relation to other things and choose what’s of interest to you at the moment? What is an area that you think you want to improve or understand more and pick that? It doesn’t have to be a huge tracking thing of everything of your life from like your diet, your cycle and how many times you did exercise or didn’t that week. Start small and the rest will fall into place.
Le’Nise: Where can listeners find out more about you and the work that you do?
Zachi: Head over to my Instagram, which is @zaz.brw and then when my website is live, it will also be shared there.
Le’Nise: Great. So, they can contact you and find out more about your work and how to use your services?
Zachi: Yeah.
Le’Nise: Brilliant. Thank you so much for coming on the show. It’s been so amazing hearing your story and hearing about the work that you do.
Zachi: Thank you. Thank you for having me.