Period Story Podcast, Episode 54: Kerrie-Anne Bradley, Try To Match The Amount of Movement You Do With Where You’re At In Your Menstrual Cycle

On today’s episode of Period Story, I’m so pleased to share my conversation with Kerrie-Anne Bradley, a  Pilates teacher, founder of Pilates At Your Desk, and author of Move More At Your Desk. A self-confessed ex-sloucher, her mission is to get us all moving more during the working day, in simple ways, so that we feel better in our bodies and minds. She’s so passionate about movement and splits her time working with individuals, groups and businesses globally. 

Kerrie-Anne and I had a great conversation about exercise and movement around the menstrual cycle, the process of writing a book and of course, the story of her very first period!

Thank you, Kerrie-Anne!

P.S. Kerrie-Anne has kindly offered listeners the first month of Move At Your Desk free with the code MAYDHAPPY! 

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Le’Nise Tell me the story of your very first period.

Kerrie-Anne It took me a while to to try to remember. Actually, it’s funny, it’s something I wasn’t at the forefront of my mind, so I was working on a fruit and veg stall as a Saturday girl. And I was 14 and I’d been to sleep at my friend’s house the night before. So it started on Saturday morning because I’d gone into work and actually I didn’t know what it was or what was happening to me. And and I remember just being a bit freaked out all day, working at the fruit and veg stall and really worried about it. And it wasn’t until I got home and I said to my mum, Oh, this is happened. And then she said, Oh my goodness, you got your period. And then I just went from being like, you know, utterly worried to utterly freaked out and embarrassed. And like mum stop it, stop embarrassing me. Stop. And then, yeah, so that’s how it came about. 

Le’Nise So we just go back to what you said about you, you weren’t sure what was happening. So you were 14 and had you had any any menstrual health education at that point or any had any of your friends already got their periods? 

Kerrie-Anne So in terms of education and teaching, I think at school, I went to an all girls school actually, and we did have a few sessions in. I think we called it PSE at the time, but I used to think that I was like to think of myself as a bit of a rebel back then, you know, I wasn’t really. So, so I skipped the sessions on the sex education and periods. It’s just a really rebellious thing to do. So, no, I didn’t. I didn’t make those sessions. 

So so I understood the science of it because we talked about the facts in science, but that’s fairly abstract and removed from the emotional and emotive stuff. Abstract, maybe not so much the right word, but you know, it’s a bit cold and clinical clinical and had some of my friends started their period. I think so. Probably. I mean, I was fairly, I think from memory I was fairly late compared to some of my other friends, so I would have been towards the end of 14. I think it actually was. It was sunny and my birthday’s in January. So it was a sunny day. So it must have been going on towards the end of 14 or the middle of 14. So I think probably my friends had but it wasn’t really something that we talked about. It was something that you would use as a badge of honour, I think, to to show that you are a woman now. But aside from that, I don’t think we we really talked about it other than being in that way. 

Le’Nise And when you when you went home and you, your mum was like, Oh my gosh, did she then kind of explain everything that was going on? And what was that conversation like? 

Kerrie-Anne Not really what I remember. I think I think it was perhaps as awkward for my mum as it was for me. We didn’t really have that much of a relationship in terms of explaining stuff like that. So she did the practical stuff like went out and got all the necessary bits, but too many things and I was like, Oh my goodness, again, I’ve got all this stuff. I don’t really know what these things are. And then because of my reaction to her, I guess she would have liked to have more of a conversation about it because but because I reacted, I guess, in an embarrassed way and leave me alone, maybe that didn’t happen because I put the barriers up. 

Le’Nise How did you then continue to educate yourself about what was happening to your body? 

Kerrie-Anne Well, it’s funny, actually, because I didn’t really do very much of that. I just loved the practical stuff and then went about my, well, you know, my merry way. I was not always, do you know what? I even from a young age, I got very bad period pains and mood ups and ups and downs and up and down emotions. And so, I mean, I didn’t even know I didn’t even document my cycle full until about three, three or four years ago, actually. So it was kind of I knew I was going to be getting my period because I’d get really bad pains the day before. But it was more that I was just sort of, yeah, just I was just going through it, but I wasn’t understanding it. And I wasn’t. I wasn’t really well informed, I’d say. 

Le’Nise So when you say you were just going through through it, was it, you get these pains and these mood changes? And was it a case of just dealing, dealing with it whenever they came up? 

Kerrie-Anne  Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I always try to make sure that I had stuff in the house and then dealing with it when it came up in a really angry way. Oh, this is an inconvenience. Oh, I’ve got it now. I’ve got to wear jeans and I’ve got to make sure I’ve got all this stuff. And quite often I wouldn’t remember all this stuff, you know? So yeah, it was dealing with it, as you say. Yeah. 

Le’Nise And and so now what would you say your relationship with your period is like, are your periods still painful, do you still experience the mood changes?

Kerrie-Anne So I definitely experience the mood changes, but I diarise my cycle now. So I think it helps me to understand when different parts of the cycle are happening and also to eat a bit better as well. So, my friend, she’s telling me you’ve to eat some sweet potato, so and I do that . So I do that helps the pain. .And also, it depends how busy I am as well. So I’ve noticed that when I’m more relaxed going into just before, when my periods comes then, I’m less likely to have such intense pains, which I don’t know if there’s scientific stuff behind that. However, I’ve noticed that that’s the way it goes. So I try to be a bit more, a bit kinder to myself and also to appreciate that because I have, you know, I have my tendency is to go, go, go, go, go, go, go. So even just taking a bit more responsibility for that. So not going all the time has made a difference to that and also I talk quite openly with my daughter about these things. She’s 10. So we were already having that conversation, and she’s understanding as well that we can experience different needs and emotions during our cycle. And she says stuff to me like, is your period coming, Mummy? Stuff like that. So. So that’s where I’ve got to. But that’s only so for the last two years of learning about that. So I’ve still got a long way to go and I’m going to read your book. Yeah, that’s that’s where I’m at.

Le’Nise So what happened two years ago that made you start to look a little bit more deeper into what was going on with your menstrual cycle? 

Kerrie-Anne So I’m actually I went to a retreat called the Self-love retreat, run by two ladies called Deanne and Kerry. Do you know them? So they have this lovely retreat in in Ibiza, and I went along to it. My friend Summer invited me along and I had no idea what I was, what I was going in for. I just thought, Oh, do you know whart? My gut told me this was the right thing to do and and it was amazing. It was all about understanding your cycle and the different phases of it, and also how that relates to seasons and two different female archetypes and stuff like that. And I just learned so much from that. And then I tried to put some of that stuff into practice. And I still like to follow, Kerry’s become good friend of mine, and I got to follow along to them because they just sharing information stuff on Instagram. Not necessarily about periods,just about life in general 

Le’Nise How it feels to learn more about your menstrual cycle in that sort of environment. 

Kerrie-Anne Oh, it’s really good because I felt well previously I would have felt really embarrassed, I suppose saying it was a big group because women about how many, maybe I can’t remember now, 15. I think something like that. And we were sharing all this stuff and talking very openly about all manner of things to do with our lives. And I’d never I’d talk openly with friends and so on, but I never had that kind of conversation with people I didn’t know. So it was a really amazing way of normalizing talking about things that that happened to you, that previously I would have thought, Oh gosh, it’s not okay. 

Le’Nise And were or people quite openly sharing their own stories. The other women on the retreat? 

Kerrie-Anne Mm hmm. Yeah, mostly. And also about things that were going on in their lives. But what was remarkable, actually I’ve just remembered, is that so I was actually not far into my cycle, which I did notice. I mean, I’d know that I had a period like the week before or whatever, but quite a few people within that women’s circle got their periods there. Oh, wow. When it wasn’t time to. So we all sort of what’s what’s the word? 

Le’Nise Sync?

Kerrie-Anne What is that what I’m thinking harmonize. But that isn’t quite the right word. Yes. And it was amazing. So then so then it was just talk about in ancient times about how women would go to a tent together when they were going to have their bleeds. And then and this is where the magic happened because they were very insightful and intuitive at that time. And so that was quite nice because that was a real life demonstration of a, current life demonstration of that story, that story that may well have happened. 

Le’Nise Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it’s interesting when talking about synching because you when you read in the mainstream papers about this phenomenon, it tends to be, get dismissed. When you talk to women anecdotally about it, they will say, Yeah, I was living with this house full of girls or women, and then we all we all synched, your experience that you’ve just shared. So I do think is something something in it, even though it gets dismissed, like scientifically because so many women, they share that they’ve had this experience of synching along with whoever they’re on, maybe they’re on a long holiday or retreat or living or in close contact with other women. And I think there’s something really interesting and quite powerful about that. 

Kerrie-Anne Yeah, I think that certainly I can recall that wasn’t the first time that it happened to me because I can remember friends that we would talk about it and stuff. I mean, I grew up in a household with my sister and mom and dad, but I don’t remember also sharing it. But I think it’s because we didn’t talk about it. We didn’t. We didn’t talk to each other about it. 

Le’Nise That is so interesting because I was thinking about like, if, has that ever happened to me? And then I just don’t know. I can’t recall because we never talked about it. So like when I’m thinking about living in the university, when I I like all of a couple of years, I had another female roommate or first year where I lived in a dorm with, you know, loads of other people I just don’t remember. We just we just didn’t talk about it back then. But going back to what you were saying about how openly you talk about your period and where you’re at with your daughter. What prompted you to be so open with her? 

Kerrie-Anne I’m not too sure if that actually I think it was just it just happened without me thinking that this is what I’m going to do. So does that make sense? You know, it was something that I’m fairly open with my daughter about most things. So I think maybe it was just a natural and natural conversation that we had. And see I’m quite vocal about those things. I know probably too much sometimes. So maybe, maybe that’s just past that. Yeah, I didn’t want her to have the same shame and embarrassment and stuff that I had when I was growing up. So about the whole manners of things. So I think to try to change that, that’s that’s me also where this comes from. Yeah. 

Le’Nise Do you feel any shame about your period now? 

Kerrie-Anne Not really, no. I have to say I said I at the retreat that I mentioned before, the Self-love retreat, Dee and Kerry, they were encouraging us to like, love our periods and embrace it. And so I’m not there yet. Definitely not, and I’m not sure I ever will be. But, you know, I’ve accepted that it’s it’s what it is. And actually, I’m I don’t feel embarrassed about it or anything. I just think…

Le’Nise I think that kind of there’s a spectrum when it comes to our relationships with our period. And I’m our cycle where some people, they really they love it and like, they’re really in that really period positive space and something I talk about a lot is this idea of even just being a bit more neutral about your your period and your menstrual cycle and coming away from this place of hate or discuss or shame because there’s a lot of information that we can get from wherever we are. And it can be quite powerful. So it’s interesting that you, you know, you got to that place and that’s a great place to be. 

Kerrie-Anne Yeah, definitely, and I think, as you say, if you are open to being less well to apply less negative connotations to it, then you can learn so much more and it can make you feel a whole lot better. So. So I think that’s good enough to hold, isn’t it? 

Le’Nise Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And so you are a Pilates teacher and you’ve just released a wonderful new book, which I want to talk about in a minute. But tell us a little bit more about Pilates and maybe how you incorporate your knowledge of your menstrual cycle into your own practice. 

Kerrie-Anne And yeah, sure, I mean, I teach all sorts of different types of Pilates, not so much on machines at the moment because I’ve got a few bits and bobs here, but I’m mostly teaching online, but I can teach reformer and everything like that. Piilates. For me, it’s just this wonderful framework of movement for creating balance within your within your body. So making all of the different body parts work in an even in a way, is possible. And so, so. And it’s centered around the core, the middle. But that’s because it’s trying to create balance. And so if you start in the middle, then you’re more likely to have a closer version of symmetry within an asymmetrical structure. So, so, so, so. So I think I can. That’s it. Joseph Pilates is the guy. He started it. He created a repertoire, a sequence of movements where the movements knew. Now, because, you know, these different movements show up in many different movement modalities. And they’re so, you know, there are so many and only so many ways we can move, although I’m not sure what I remember is going and and. But however, he applied his knowledge and created a sequence of movements and then adapted it for different machines to enhance how people would move. And so so that’s how I see Pilates and I teach mat classes. 

And then I’ve got business called Pilates At Your Desk where I mostly teach people in a corporate setting or a platform for individuals to join as well where I’m doing movement that they can do throughout the day because it’s all very well doing an exercise class for an hour in the day. But then if you’re not moving for the rest of the day then your body is not going to be very happy about it and it’s not moving in the sense that it’s for the next time you had or running a marathon or whatever that takes up quite a lot of your day, and it’s just simple stuff. So, you know, moving your arms, shaking, waving your spine, moving your legs and trying to trying to get a little, there’s a term used by someone in America. Katie Bowman, I think, is the person who created it called movement snacks. So just slotting in, I call the movement breaks actually in my book, but slotting in opportunities for movement. 

How do I then take into consideration my cycle while doing this? Well, you know what? It can be tricky because so part of the time, every every week I teach a set number of mat classes, for example. And and because it’s online, I do it with the with the class while teaching them as well. And so when it’s when I’m in the my, it’s when I get my period or just before, when I want to chill out a bit more. It can be tricky because I’m still teaching and I and so I show up for that bit, but then I’ll be much gentler with myself in general. So just gentle stretches a bit more yoga based, which I know you’re more familiar. Anyway, it’s taking much more time to rest. So I lie down a lot in those in these time, when I can in the day, I teach a lot of one to one, 20 or so week and and I don’t move with them. So say that’s yeah. I think it’s quite a few with my clients. I sort of do a lot of rehab work, actually, so quite a few of my clients come with a medical condition. So, so I’m very much eyes on the person that so. So when I’m in my, you know, my more energetic phase of my cycle, they’re not really going for it. And I’m doing all sorts of like running around the garden. I never make it outside of just about one minute go to my Peloton classes doing it all sorts. And yeah, so so I try do. Try to match the amount of movement I do with where I’m at. Yeah. I hope some of that is unavoidable. Yeah, within teaching. Yeah. But if a client comes in, they say, Oh, I’ve got my period today and I feel pretty rough and I’m not going to make them, do you know, loads of like hundreds and the rest just wouldn’t do fast? Yeah, yeah. 

Le’Nise That’s really interesting how you say that. Like, there are classes where you won’t demonstrate each, all of the poses. And I had my period last week and I I had to remind myself, you don’t have to kind of demonstrate every single pose. It’s fine. You can do verbal instructions, verbal demonstrations, and it’s absolutely fine. Even though I’ve been teaching for a while, I still have to remind myself of that because the tendency is to kind of want to jump in and show them. But it’s actually can be more powerful when you’re just, you know, just talking, talking more and doing less. So it’s interesting that you, you say that. So tell tell us a little bit more about your your business. So Pilates At Your Desk. That is so. And what you said about movements snacks or what you said movement breaks. That’s so interesting because, you know, certainly in the last couple of years, we’ve spent a lot more time at our desks and you see this where people, they’re just kind of they’ve been more sedentary and they’re starting to get back into fitness, but they’re finding it a little bit more challenging. So talk about the concept of pilates at your desk, how you came up with that and what kind of what you what you do with that in practice. 

Kerrie-Anne And so I came up with that, before I taught Pilates, I worked at desk for about 10 years and I had a whole list of aches and pains. I had sciatica, so these sort of constant neck pains, shoulder aches all the rest of it, and I was pretty young to have all those things. So I started going to Pilates classes. I started when my daughter was born, a lovely lady called Grace. It talks about periods a lot, actually. She’s a postnatal and prenatal specialist, so she works with women all the time and she. So I started lessons with her post-natally and then I went back to work and I went to a studio near there, . I mean, my work’s had all these different places and then the lady convinces me to quit my job. So I did. 

And then I was teaching Pilates for a few years, and then I was sort of having clients come to lessons. I was teaching mostly one to one step in and a few reformer classes, and people would come and they’d have things going on in their bodies. And I would fix them or help them to fix themselves in that state in that hour. And then they come back the next week, the same things. So my brain’s thinking. How are we going to fix this? What are we going to be able to do that’s going to change this relationship? Because this is this is only this is only a short term solution here. So so what I did was I put together a programme like a bit like Joseph Pilates, but I’m not calling myself him, just like a program of exercises that people could do during the week. And they were all seated and standing things. And those who did it started to feel better, and those who didn’t tier journey was continuing on the same path. Although, you know, they were making improvements, just taking longer. 

So, so I decided to roll this out because I figured I’ve got all this information and I want to share this information with people because actually, a lot of how we feel in our bodies when we’re walking can be easily fixed by doing, making a few more changes, being a bit more aware about where your body is in space, changing how you position yourself over your feet when you’re standing, if you stand for work or how you sit. And so various things like that. And so then I connected with a few businesses through friends and so on, and I just went in and I trialled the workshop with them. I worked with them, the newspaper, a Japanese newspaper, a PR agency and a finance company. My first clients. And the rest is history really. So now I’ve worked with hundreds of companies, been online for the last two years before I used to run around London. I did some sessions in Jersey, I’m from Jersey, so that’s that connection that. And now I’m doing it globally. And yeah, I’ve been lucky. I’ve worked with loads of the big companies now Facebook, PayPal, Google, those guys and lots of the big law firms and accountancy, ASOS. And I did a great thing with Camden Town Brewery actually where I went in and I spent a few days with them figuring out how the different cohorts of people what so some of them who do a lot of standing, just doing distribution or packaging or the brewing bit. And then I held a little one to one with them and I could give them some bespoke exercises and then do some workshops, and that was a pretty cool thing that was just before the pandemic. Yeah. So that’s it really. So now I’m sort of going back into in person. 

I’ve got a couple of workshops happening in New York this month which a great teacher in New York is going to be running for me, and I’m just trying to build it. And then and then I’ve got a platform as well, which is called Move At Your Desk, and it’s just loads of on demand videos that anybody can join. And and and that’s on. Each month I hold a workshop which is live and it’s a postural clinic, I call it. I’m not sure that’s the best name, but it’s one that people understand. On Sunday, I did a walking and running workshop. How to how to do it was very much focused on feet with a friend of mine, Verity. She’s a gait expert. And then and then we did the clinic. So this all these I’ve done one on hips, back, shoulders. That’s a very long explanation, isn’t it? 

Le’Nise No, that’s great. It’s always really interesting to hear. Well, people who have their own businesses to hear the journey of what what prompted you to give up your corporate, your job in the corporate world and then build your own business and you’re doing something really interesting where you have so ostensibly you’re a Pilates teacher, but then you’ve got all your fingers in lots of different pies where you’ve got, you know, you’ve got your book, which we’ll talk about in a minute. You’ve got your online platform. You do workshops. You do lots of different things. So for anyone who’s listening, who wants to do something similar, you’ve got a great role model here in Kerrie-Anne. And so, yeah, it’s really it’s really amazing. And you created this online platform where you’ve got lots of videos and workshops. So for anyone who wants to join that, can you give us the details? 

Kerrie-Anne Yeah, sure. So you can find it on my website, pilatesatyourdesk.com, and it’s £18 per month and that’s an access to anything or one hundred and eighty pounds for the year. And I also have corporate membership options available to me, and since we’re here, I’m very happy to give anyone listening to this a month’s free. So so I’ll get I’ll send you the details that he can remember if you’re listening and you could do it while you’re listening MAYDHAPPY in the discount box. When you’re signing up, then you get the first month for free. 

Le’Nise OK, OK, great. That’s very generous of you. Thanks. And now talk talk about your book. So are both of our books came out on the same day? So this is three weeks ago now. And what what someone some wise person once told me is that the book publication day is just the start. So talk about firstly, tell talk about how you got a book deal and what it was like writing and in your case, shooting the photos. Tell us a little bit more about that. 

Kerrie-Anne So actually, that happened a bit retrospectively because I already had photos. So so we we matched them by taking the photos. I did have to take some more, actually, but in hindsight, I wish I’d done that to after I’d written it. But that’s not the end of it. Back to how it began. I would say Anya, probably if you’ve met that, yeah, I knew you did work for Watkins. Publishing is someone who I’ve been known on Instagram for a long time. And before I taught Pilates actually as well. And so she has always been saying, I’ll be great, you should write a book. It will be great. It would be good to get that. And then she actually, I think another friend of mine had also just written a book and said, You need to write about this. You want me to put you in touch with my agent was like, No, no, I can’t be bothered with that. I’ve already got a lot of stuff going on. And then I’m you said, Come on, not do it. You can do it. 

And I said to my friend Eloise, Oh, I’ve got this offer, but I don’t think I’m going to do it. And I don’t mean to sound like, you know, like it’s I’m grateful because I’m not ungrateful. I just was thinking, I’m so busy. I’m so busy in lockdown with the workshops and everything, and I just thought, I can’t do this is too much. And my friend Eloise said, Look, you’ve been offered to write, to write a book. People don’t get those opportunities. You have to write the book. OK, fine. Put together the proposal and Anya helped me. And then and then it came about. But I had written quite a bit already because I used quite a lot of information in my workshops. So and all of the movements, of course, I had the pictures and everything so that the actual writing part and I don’t know how you felt about this process, but I actually found it completely exhausting. And I was writing, working sometimes 10 hours a day and writing between lessons and night time and then trying to run the house as well and be a mom and a wife and a dog mom and everything. So. And I just found it. I found it. So I didn’t appreciate just how much it had taken out of me. It’s funny until until I look back now and I think, wow, I was tired, you know, and I thought it was great. And it was really because it was so. It is quite fast, actually, it was a fast. I think I signed a contract in January last year. I think it was January and then I handed to it for the last time before that, the editing rounds say for the first time in June. So it was, I think that’s quite is that quite fast. 

Le’Nise I was that was about the same timeframe as me and everyone I’ve spoken to who has said that’s really fast. 

Kerrie-Anne OK. That’s I mean, I don’t really know very many people who’ve written books if I’m honest, but I think it must be quite hard. And then there were a few iterations, quite a few iterations of of editing and so on. And and then suddenly, you know, there it is published three weeks ago and I find I remember I sent you a message and I was kind of like, you know, I feel like I haven’t done all the things that I should be doing. I don’t really know what to do. And you said to me that about point about the lovely wise words that someone had shared with you about it being start of the process. And and so that was that was really great. Thank you, I’m a lot less worried about it. But now that being, I think it’s scarier having something out there where you’ve got no control over what people say about it. And that’s the biggest thing. I think that’s hard because, you know, that is I mean, I I think I know that not everybody is going to like my book because why would they say it’s, you know, it’s it’s not for everybody. But when you read stuff about what people think about it, I mean, it’s quite mean, you know, it’s it’s hard. It’s really hard. So I’m trying not to look at the book, there’s loads of nice things, reviews, but the bad ones you focus. I’ve been focusing on the bad one, so I need to look. 

Le’Nise Yeah, there is a thing where people, you could have someone like one hundred, ninety nine people saying amazing things, but then one person says something a bit negative, and that’s the thing that sticks in your mind. 

Kerrie-Anne Yeah, exactly. And yeah, but that’s that’s part of the learning. I think it’s a brave thing to do putting putting your work out there. And, you know, I don’t know how you feel about this, but you know, if if I wrote the book again today, it would be different from how it was last January. So I feel that I think that, you know, you learn so much in our in our profession as time goes on. So you could write it differently could present it differently. It’s difficult to present exercise in a book because in my mind, people do exercise by doing it rather than reading it and then doing it. So I didn’t want to make it all exercises in the book because I think there’s limited value in that. But for some people, that is what they want. So, of course, that this book, which is not about information about why we need to move more, thinking about how you stand, thinking about how you sit, then the exercises and then tips on how to integrate movement. This book just is not going to be the one for those people that want to read and do exercises or have, you know, big pictures with instructions underneath because this isn’t what this is. Yeah. So yeah. 

Le’Nise It’s really it’s really easy for people to criticize, but it’s much harder for someone to actually write a book. So I think whenever you get negative reviews or reviews that you just don’t feel that happy about you have to remember that like it’s easy to be a critic and it’s easy to criticize what other people are doing. 

But what’s far harder is the graft that it takes to kind of not only write something and write something so comprehensive, but to put yourself out there. You know what both of us do. We’re both putting ourselves out there. And there’s, you know, there’s a lot there’s something really great about that, having the confidence to be able to say, Well, these are the videos that I’ve created. This is the book that I’ve written. You can take it or leave it. If it’s not for you, then I’m sure there’s something else out there that is for you. 

Kerrie-Anne Exactly, exactly. I like the way you’re thinking. 

Le’Nise When I wrote my book, I was really clear that, you know, my book was very much about the menstrual cycle. Different conditions, but also how food can help. And there’s not a lot out there about that. About like specifically like the detail of how food can help. And I’ve always been clear, if you want something that’s a bit more of a polemic, you know, that’s more about like feminism and the patriarchy and the effect of the menstrual cycle. There are books out there that cover that, but that’s not my book. So you know, you get what you get. If you don’t, if you don’t like it, then there’s something else for you. I’m being I found to be quite quite pragmatic in my viewpoint around this. 

Kerrie-Anne I think that’s really, actually really great because you’ve created boundary there. And I think actually even just saying to you now I’ve said about this is not a book that site written, detailed as well. There are lots of exercises in it, but it’s not one that you intended to go. But, you know, like a routine, there are routines in that, but they’re a very small section of it. It’s made me then say, well, the what the boundaries are really like. This is a book that will help you if you’re experiencing pain, if you’re not moving enough, if you want to know a bit more about how to, when to move forward or why you should do it and then how to do it, then this is for you. Yeah. And then you can find my videos, if you want to follow along. In my mind, that’s how you do it. Yeah. 

Le’Nise And where can where can people get the book?

Kerrie-Anne It’s on Amazon and it’s called Move More At Your Desk. I hope I haven’t put you off, you know? It’s a really nice book on Amazon and that it’s you buy on Waterstones,  Watkins through Watkins publishing. Mostly, . I’ve just been saying Amazon. How about you? 

Le’Nise Yeah, I’ve been saying Amazon or anywhere, anywhere. You buy books. 

Kerrie-Anne Yeah, I’ve got a few copies at home. I’m so happy to hear you. 

Le’Nise So you’ve got your book. And we, as we said, it’s a first. You know, it’s the start of the journey. But from a book perspective, what’s next? Have you thought about the next book you’re going to write? Is there going to be a next book? What have you started even thinking about that yet? 

Kerrie-Anne No, the answer is no. I haven’t thought about that, but I know. Have you? 

Are you going to write another book? 

Le’Nise Yes, I want to. Yeah. Yeah. I want to.  

Kerrie-Anne If I’m honest. But you know, that could change. Maybe I, as I’ve been talking to you and I’ve said to you, if I rewrote it now, I’d do it differently and I’d have extra things to say and so on. Then that’s perhaps planted a seed for something new. But actually, I think I’m a much better verbal communicator. And it probably would be the right. Yeah, right. Yeah. So so I really like doing these kinds of things and teaching workshops and being on panels and presenting and jumping around the stage and stuff like that. So, so, so so I really like to channel my efforts into to that. Yeah, yeah. For the next for the next 10 years. 

Le’Nise Well, it’s it’s amazing. An amazing thing to have written a book. So yeah, no, this isn’t. I’m just like, This is my natural like me, the way I am thinking, always thinking about the next thing. But you know, there is something about it. Just also just enjoying the fact that you’ve written a book. That’s no mean feat. You know, there are a lot of people who would love to write a book. So, yeah, you know, it’s amazing. 

Kerrie-Anne It’s a difficult one because I think I’m also latching on onto the next saying the next thing. And my head is like thinking of all these different things. But one thing that is tricky is to list the thing that you said about enjoying that. You’ve written a book. I don’t think I’m quite there yet. I have like moments of it when I’m like, Wow, I did this, but it’s quite hard. I think if you are someone who’s always on to the next thing. Yeah, to be with. But actually, I put it right next to me everywhere I go. So I can remember you wrote a book 

Le’Nise And you’re on the cover of the book as well. 

Kerrie-Anne You’re on the cover of the book. .I’m on the cover of the book. Yeah, I know. I mean, to be honest, I’ve not even taken it back in, but I’m actually on. Yeah. It’s funny. Isn’t it funny? 

Le’Nise Yeah, it’s it’s something that, you know, you really kind of just enjoy, enjoy the moment. 

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