Period Story Podcast, Episode 60, Lucy Lettice: We Deserve Better Menstrual Products

I’m so pleased to share today’s episode with Lucy Lettice, the co-founder of &SISTERS, the femcare brand. In this episode, Lucy shares more about her mission to provide a menstrual health ecosystem offering products and services for all stages of the menstrual lifecycle, including better plastic-free period care. 

In this episode, Lucy shares: 

  • What happened when she started her period at 17
  • How tracking her menstrual cycle has helped her understand herself more and make better decisions 
  • The inspiration behind starting her company &SISTERS
  • How switching to a period cup can save up to 2,000 disposable period products per person over 5-6 years
  • And the story of her first period 

Lucy says that empowering yourself with knowledge of your menstrual health is so empowering and important and can help you make better decisions about your overall health. 

Thank you, Lucy!

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Le’Nise: Can you tell me the story of your very first period? 

Lucy: Yeah, definitely. It’s, it’s quite nice to reflect, you know, many years later. But um, I was definitely a late starter and I knew I was so I was actually 17 when I had my first period. And so of course that meant that I was sort of one of the, the last ones out of my group of girlfriends. And I went to an all girls school. So out of kind of most of my close knit friends. And I was definitely the last, the last one and many of many of my of my girlfriend had started their period when they were 11 or 12. And so to wait sort of five or six years definitely felt like quite a long wait. 

So I was definitely relieved and kind of glad to finally experience the sort of life changing moment that everyone had been talking about for so long, especially at a girls school. It’s something that comes up quite a lot by often every month. And not only because I felt sort of like I was finally matured and a woman, but also because my mum actually didn’t start to have a period until she was 18. So I always knew that it could be until I could be waiting to at least then and I’d actually kind of that year between 17 and 18 kind of felt like quite a big year in terms of sort of personal mental sexual development. So I was actually super relieved when I was 17 I finally and I finally got it because I knew I could have been waiting that much longer.

For the actual kind of period itself, which was really nothing to write home about. And I vividly remember I was in is in our family bathroom. It was quite a light period and I think that anything that kind of the menstrual blood in the toilet definitely made me feel maybe a bit faint. I think just seeing blood for the first time in that way was actually interesting and also like a bit of a rush, maybe excitement and pride before it dawned on me that I didn’t have any fem care products because I think in my head I definitely thought I would go until was 18, but I think maybe I shouted to my mum, maybe even showed her in the toilet. And then I remember she gave me either a non applicator, digital tampon or pad, but at this point any kind of period products that my girlfriends were using and it definitely wasn’t digital tampons, it was either like the newest, shiniest Tampax, which at the time was Tampex Pal, or it was a pad. So I took the part from my mum and yeah. So yeah. So that’s kind of the big story is the fact that actually I started really quite late, but the period itself was really nothing to write home about. 

Le’Nise: And so just kind of going back a little bit. Yeah. That time where so between it’s like say 13 around when your girlfriends validated to get their periods until about 17 when you got yours, even though you knew your mum had got her period quite late. Yeah. Was there any ever any questioning or was there ever any kind of conversations like, oh, maybe I need to go to the doctor to check this out and anything like that? 

Lucy: Honestly, no. But I think the reason that that was it wasn’t necessarily because I kind of didn’t think about it or wasn’t concerned about I think in general, my kind of like physical development, like at sort of 15, 16, I had a growth spurt. Like I went from being reasonably short and, you know, quite short compared to those my age. And then suddenly I was like one of the tallest. So I definitely could see that actually I was maybe developing slightly later. 

And, and I think, to be honest, just knowing that my mum had had that period later made me think that, you know, genetically, potentially mine would be too. I think also in terms of like my physical development, like I didn’t have had really developed breasts. I kind of, I think even things like bodily hair, you know, like hair on my legs, it still felt like it was kind of baby hair. It was it wasn’t sort of teenage hormonal changes that I was experiencing. So I think kind of subconsciously I probably thought, okay, well I’ll wait until 18 and then if I didn’t have it then, then potentially it would be something that I would investigate further. But yeah, I mean, really, I just sort of I guess I took what, when my mum started to have a period of sort of like, you know, our family trait and then accepted accepted that and yet never questioned anything else. 

Le’Nise: Right. Okay. That’s so interesting because I think what like in stories I’ve heard from in the past, from clients or other people that I’ve spoken to, the late later period, late onset period becomes a source of concern. Yeah. And you know, I’ve had clients have to go on the pill in order to kicks like so-called quote unquote, kick start their period. So I think it’s so I think it’s so great that not only you knew your mom’s experience, like she was open about it with you. Yeah, but you had this kind of mindset of like, well, it comes, comes when it comes. Yeah. 

Lucy: And I think the thing with the pill is I definitely had or knew the people that took the pill, whether or not it was because of potentially a slightly later period start or whether it was because of things like acne and so on. But I did know that that was sort of an option, but I definitely felt at the time that I didn’t want to go down that route unless I kind of actually had to. And I think, as you say, you know, because I knew them, my mom was 80 and she was 18 and I was kind of prepared to wait, but I definitely knew that that was an option and people around me definitely explored that, that route even to going to some who didn’t start until they were 15, 16, I remember they went on the pill around 14 because even that sort of year they were kind of like, Should I not had it yet? So yeah. 

Le’Nise: And when you got your period, what was it like? Like, well, you you described your first period, but then as they started to become more regular what what was your actual experience of having a period like? 

Lucy: Yeah. I mean, to be honest, I, I definitely count myself quite lucky in that I didn’t have particularly bad period pains. I think at the time, as I mentioned, between the girls, we discussed it quite a lot. And I think the only thing that really kind of came out of those conversations with that some people had quite bad period things and that having a period was it was a bit frustrating when you’re doing lots of sport and they were the kind of the two especially while I was still at school anyway, the two things that was really pulled out from it because they impacted our life the most. So, you know, if you had period pains, did you want to go and do sports and were you wearing a tampon. 

And I think I was lucky in that once I got my period, it was also really regular. So I could sort of plan from well, you know, now obviously I know much more about periods and and just sort of the at the different phases, but at the time it was great. It’s sort of like the early days. And so I knew when I was getting my period and therefore could sort of accommodate for that in terms of lifestyle and sport and, and the clothes you wear, etc.. But yet again, I mean, my period, it’s kind of it’s weird because maybe it’s against the conscious, but it’s always just been sort of a constant, like it’s been monthly. I didn’t track it. I never tracked my period until recently. But, and yeah, I remember it being and the one thing that I think is so interesting is especially at school and at a school that is run by girls, even though girls, you know, were very kind of forgiving of each other. And there was always this sort of concern of leaking and especially sort of, you know, like male teachers. And it was something that were getting exceptionally concerned about. And in that environment. And I remember some girls and they said they wear like two pairs of underwear, so they don’t leak. And it was like a real concern. And I think that was the kind of the yeah, the biggest thing of note that we discussed and, and yeah. Sort of played on our minds as opposed to now when there’s so many much education and so much more information out there, especially now that my girlfriends know and things we sort of maybe wish we did know. But yeah, generally my period was, was a constant in my life. 

Le’Nise:. So talk a little bit about the education part that you just mentioned. So how did you learn about about periods? And you mentioned leaking. What were the other parts of the conversations that kind of when you were in school? 

Lucy: Yeah. So I think yeah, I mean I had a very close knit group of girlfriends and I was lucky in many ways that we did speak about things. So before I had my period, I knew I knew what to expect. And, you know, I’d had numerous conversations and I felt excited and prepared for it. And, and I think and although there was kind of a lot of peer to peer lending, I guess. Yeah. Compared to now to know about menstrual health knowledge our knowledge barely scratched the surface. You know it was it was sort of you know, my girlfriend had quite a painful period and therefore she’s I take some painkillers, but it was enough that, you know, I never felt in the dark about periods. And, you know, I felt lucky enough to ask my friends about questions or concerns, etc.. 

But I think I think it’s not necessarily about the kind of periods in me, but in my life. I’ve definitely kind of kind of sought out quite a a natural approach to my body. And I’ve always been well, actually, to be honest, I think it’s probably from early jobs where I worked in kind of natural foods and natural products and kind of really opened my eyes to the benefits of, you know, yeah, things being as natural as possible, which is why I was, I was on the pill actually, not for kind of period reasons more for as a contraceptive, but actually then decided that even that was sort of, you know, I definitely began as I learnt more about periods to kind of question the sort of the hormonal side. And I think my education with with periods has been much more about yeah, the hormones and how that impacts you and how that impacts your sort of day to day life. And actually I really embraced it at school. A period is a very transactional thing. It was like I’m, you know, I’m female at some point at the period and and obviously, you know, why you have a period, but you just sort of accept it for what it’s worth, I think as I am, yeah, I kind of over the years it’s something that you. Yeah. You feel empowered by that it empowers you. To be able to do things like have children and yeah, with the different phases empower you to make decisions in your life around your period so that, you know, you sort of, for want of a better phrase, living your best life. Yeah. So. So, yeah. Yeah, definitely. 

Le’Nise: Okay. And when you mentioned earlier, I just want to touch on your. I want to touch on your experience of the pill in a minute. But again, you mentioned earlier about there were things that you know now that you wish that you knew. But, you know, in the early days of having a period. What were some of those things. 

Lucy: I think definitely the different phases. I think there were definitely days where within my cycle where I’d feel really lethargic and kind of exhausted. And I knew that my girlfriends felt very similar. And at the time you sort of put it down to growth, teenage hormones, etc.. But I think actually now, you know, I know a lot more from tracking my cycle, you know, when I’m ovulating, what type, what type of mood I’m in, you know, I feel much hotter. I will do it. And when I go out, things sort of get on my nerves a bit more. And I think at school, you definitely you don’t know any of that and you just think, you know, if I feel a bit rubbish, then it’s never linked to a period of period is just something that happens, you know, for a couple of days a month and you just accept it. Whereas actually there’s a, you know, there’s obviously a lot more to it and especially in these early days when you have your your first period, your menarche, it’s a lot of sort of adjustment and so on. But at the time you definitely put it down to overworked or too much sport or you know, and anything else. And I think so, yeah, that’s really kind of what I’ve learnt and what I now use to sort of yeah, kind of change the way that I live my life and I think tracking my cycle is yeah, I mean it’s amazing. I love tracking just to understand kind of yeah, monthly the same things that are happening and being able to make decisions around that I think is, is pretty empowering. 

Le’Nise: What do you use to track your cycle? 

Lucy: I use the Clue app. Okay. Yeah, I’ve used quite a few before. The reason I now use it is because it has so much my data that I’ve got to use it. Um, and so yeah. So I use the Clue app and um, yeah. And, and I, and I input lots of information into it. I mean, it’s not quite savvy enough to kind of utilise all of that and be sort of intense algorithms and tell me things. But actually even just for me to kind of look back if I have a day and you know, yeah, I feel and know or kind of have a really bad back pain or yeah, just kind of really grouchy and I can then go back and I know that actually if I’m ovulating or it’s a couple of days before ovulation and therefore that’s why I’m kind of acting that way. And I just, I think it’s amazing. But also I’m lucky that I do have regular periods and that I can use it in that way. I know that’s not that’s not the case for a lot of a lot of women. And so, yeah, I definitely feel lucky I can do that. Yeah. Yeah. 

Le’Nise: Okay, great. And so just going forward to your experience being on the pill and then coming off of the pill, can you talk a little bit about that? Like what was your experience like? Was it you seem to have had a very easy period experience. I wonder if what was your what your experience was like actually on the pill? 

Lucy: Yeah, I didn’t love the pill, to be honest. It was so I when I first went on the pill, yeah, about 19 and it was sort of the general one that everyone gets given, which I think is well it’s called different things, Microgynon. And um, yeah, I mean I was actually using it for contraceptive purposes and it was fine. 

I used Microgynon for a couple of years, but then I realised that actually I’m, I think at the time it made me what I was going to university and so a lot of other changes, but it made me feel a bit sort of. Out of control. Like, I felt, like, really emotional. And I just didn’t. I just didn’t like it. I, I felt not myself. And then I changed to Celeste and again, the names are irrelevant because I felt different things, but I changed it. This one, which made me a complete crazy lady and crazy, crazy and very, very emotional and lots of tears. Didn’t understand what I really didn’t like at all. 

And so then I had another one which was again the name is irrelevant, I will say it was Revenelle. And for me that worked really well and and it was getting better out of the three. But I think at that point and by then I was maybe early twenties, I was definitely researching a lot more about kind of health in general and the hormonal health, kind of menstrual health and just general wellness looking after yourself and I, yeah, I mean, so for want of a better phrase, I wanted to like go down a more natural route. I, I didn’t know how the kind of hormones were impacting, how I know how I felt in terms of like emotions each day, but more decisions I was making. You know what I. Because I was I was I guess I said I was a reasonably kind of conservative person. You know, I didn’t take risks. I wasn’t really kind of fearless. And I, I think I saw other people like that and maybe envied and wondered if maybe. Yeah, it was like a hormonal thing. So I definitely want to take a bit more of a natural path and I considered other contraceptives, but I think I wanted to have a period of, you know, just using natural conscience and therefore came off the pill. And I mean, you know, they say, you know, it takes a couple of months to sort of adjust. And I definitely felt better. My periods did get heavier, but not again, not not by it was a sort of drastic that I was like, oh, I have to go back on the pill. And and yet I actually I felt really relieved in those kind of couple of months after even though I was considering going back on in the future. But it was just, yeah, I felt like a sort of flushing out of hormones that by this point, you know, I’d been on the pill for maybe five or six years and it was liberating. 

Le’Nise: You mentioned that you notice people around you taking risks and being really adventurous. Yeah. And so when you came off the pill, like the last time. Yeah. What did you notice that coming in for you? 

Lucy: Yeah. I mean, I definitely think in the kind during that period, it was definitely a period in my life where I was freeing myself of a lot commitments, which was great. And I think that’s also why I kind of I felt like I could come off the pill because I was taking control of my life. I was at an age where there were so lots of options open to me. So and so. So. Yeah, definitely I do. I think that. Yeah. It was just generally a very kind of liberating experience. And I. Yeah, it was it was a very happy time in my life. So yeah, I would say that I’m not I mean, probably as a person, I am not risk averse, but I’m, I’m a planner. Yeah. Um, but yeah. 

Le’Nise: Yeah. I mean, there has to be some kind of, like, association with risk because you did start your own company. Yeah. For a lot of people, that’s like that’s very risky and they react with that. So yeah, you kind of did do that in a way. 

Lucy: I think it’s kind of it’s sort of controlled risk, whereas I think many things to do is sort of hormones are very unknown and and emotions, you know, that you have very unknown and kind of you can’t plan for them. And I mean, it’s interesting how the brain works, but but yeah, I definitely think in terms of it’s kind of professionally it’s. There’s also, I think, an excitement with things like, you know, have your own business and the opportunity there. I think it’s. Yeah. 

Le’Nise: Yeah. And so talking about having your own business, so you founded your company &SISTERS with your mother? 

Lucy: Yes. 

Le’Nise: Can you talk a little bit about the company and what made you decide to jump into the femcare space? 

Lucy: Sure. So I think I mean, firstly, I started it with my my mum Claire sort of over three years ago now and we actually didn’t touch that much in terms of the period before. We’ve always had a sort of open, kind of close relationship. She’s definitely quite a liberal person, so we’ve always spoken about lots of different things. I always felt sort of empowered to speak to her and ask her questions about sort of any personal issues. And and yeah, I would say kind of on the whole, we had a really kind of open relationship.

And in terms of kind of starting the business, we both came from kind of very different sort of backgrounds. So her background was marketing and kind of strategic marketing and marketing. She’d seen kind of conventional and mainstream brands and how actually the kind of how they approach period care and sort of taboo topics and decided that actually the whole kind of narrative around periods being sort of like sanitary products and therefore that’s dirty or you know, and absorbency being like regular, you know, what is normal, you know, even worse. And she kind of felt really passionately about kind of, yeah, diving in and sort of changing the narrative around that and yeah, empowering women to understand their periods. 

And, you know, yeah, I think a lot of women sort of dread them so and not seeing them as sort of a negative thing. And from from my perspective, I sort of touched upon it in terms of the and the sort of natural side. But I, I studied food and wine, but it was all about kind of ingredients and sort of yeah, natural, no fuss. And so from my perspective, it was much more about, you know, why, why do mainstream products contain such awful things when we could have 100% organic cotton products, which obviously will be so much better for, you know, we talk about skincare and putting on our skin, but actually, you know, things like tampons we put on the insides of us. And so for me, it was much more formal and I guess you could say ingredient perspective and also sustainability. You know, I was very conscious that, you know, the choices that we make and I worked for a kind of zero waste company in a health food chain. So I was much more exposed to, you know, what we’re doing to the planet and how we can make make decisions with, with or without, with our wallets. 

So, so yeah, we kind of came at it from quite different perspectives. And my mom also,  was very lucky to do sort of travelling and she had seen a lot of kind of period poverty in Southeast Asia and generally across the globe. But I think she also felt really passionate that we wanted to have a part of business that was giving back and making sure that we were kind of educating and also supporting. Yeah, those kind of less fortunate and especially the kind of clothing that became like a lot more prevalent, especially here in the UK. So yeah, so that was sort of the merging of backgrounds and kind of passions. And yes, since then it’s been yeah, it’s been an exciting journey because yeah, we’ve been Yeah. For a couple of years now and yeah. Lots going on at the moment. Yeah. Yeah, I’ll wait until we discuss that later.

Le’Nise: And so the fem care space is really it’s such an interesting opportunity now and I definitely can have as someone who has to have an overview of the market, I see lots of brands coming into this space. Yeah. When you when you founded the company with your mom, what did you apart from, like the organic aspect? What did you want? What was the other other point of difference that you wanted to bring to the market? 

Lucy: Yes, I think so. The the nudie period cup, which is our period cup. And we actually spent 18 months kind of researching and developing because the period cup is such an amazing kind of state, like from a sustainability perspective product in that one cup saves 2000 disposable period products and in overtime, depending on how we use it for it can save 15,000 disposable period products and that in itself is a real kind of a green feat. And so we felt that we wanted to make sure that we were providing products that were much better for the environment.

But also, you know, consumers perspective will say much better for you as well. And with the period cup, we made a number of design modifications to kind of to suit women’s bodies, including kind of a lot of period cups have. And it’s quite a long kind of insertion part basically. And often it’s kind of suggested that you cut it and that can be quite ragged edge. And so a lot of feedback we’re getting was that people didn’t really just want a short one, but they wanted more kind of to be a little bit more tactile and insertion part. So we designed the pebble, which is a beautiful shape, and then just above it has reinforced silicone to basically aid insertion and removal. So we basically made a number of design modifications to try and create this one of the best cup for women. But we accept that, you know, that all women are different and actually you know our cup might not be for everyone but actually having a period cup in your sort of fem care or period care public armoury and even just using it for one period or a couple of days a period to help save those products going to landfill, etc.. 

But actually, the bigger mission for &SISTERS was creating a brand that can support women throughout all stages of their life. So we have our teen pack, which obviously is for your kind of first period, and contains really useful info leaflets on kind of all the different questions that you might have with your first period. And actually the feedback on that has been amazing and we have lots of kind of interaction with parents saying that it’s kind of a learning phase, which is what we see as a business and a real win.

And then obviously we have all of our organic cotton and our period cup which with our period cup, we have the teen cup as well. So again, hopefully supporting there is kind of this, you know, under 20 between sort of 14 and 20 is the period cup.

And then in terms of the business today and sort of where we want to go obviously is exciting and projects on the horizon. And actually, yeah, it’s our ambition to support women throughout more stages of life. And there are also this stage of life, you know, it’s not necessarily just sort of about your period starting it and whether you have and contraception or whatever, it’s there’s there’s, you know, maternity and menopause, perimenopause and all the other things that sort of happen as part of your period. So last year we launched our stain remover, remuvie, which again, you know, the feedback has been great because it’s one of these things leaks do happen, but actually what you use. So yeah, we kind of embarked on a mission to find the sort of most eco friendly stain remover suitable to remove blood or menstrual fluid or it’s great for anything and kind of added that to our product portfolio. So I think in terms of And Sister’s mission and ambition is very much to support, throughout all stages of life. Obviously we had to start somewhere and I think where we started was very much kind of with Teen and then the sort of organic cotton and unique period cup. But as we kind of yeah, as we grow and as time goes on this ambition to to help support women across many more stages of life. 

Le’Nise: Okay. Amazing. I want to just ask a little bit more about the menstrual cup. Yeah. Because something that I find when I speak to my client or just clients and just general conversations that I have about different period products is that. There’s a fear factor with the menstrual cup. And there’s it’s just very you mentioned fear of leaking earlier. There’s a big one with the cup and then then it’s well, how do I clean it? How to navigate it when I’m out and I, I find it so fascinating because I definitely that was like a real sticking point for me personally in the beginning. And I love it. I love mine that I am actually I have my period right now and I am okay then and I wouldn’t go without it. But what do you say when women express this kind of trepidation about using a cup to you. 

Lucy: I think with with kind of with COVID it’s been an opportunity when people have been at home a little more and working from home, because I think we recommend that. Firstly, you use at least three cycles to try and get used to using the cup, whether or not that’s even just kind of plucking up the courage to to insert it, but also just kind of getting used to it in terms of your body and in terms of kind of how to insert it and making sure that, you know, kind of how often you would need to take it out in order to avoid leaking. I think in terms of sort of putting one’s mind at ease, we always suggest that you could try it when you’re not on your period so, is not that kind of concern of a bit of a mess or, you know, sort of concern in terms of what’s going on. Trying it when you’re most relaxed, your muscles are most relaxed, trying in the shower, where there is potentially a bit more lubrication. But actually, I think I mean all the ways that you that you raise a very valid and I think that’s what a lot of the concerns that women have. But on the other side, you know, once once people do kind of tackle it and attempt to use the cup, as you said, the responses, I’ll I’ll never go back to, you know, tampons and pads because it is just so much better. So I think it’s really just helping people get up that hill. 

And we, you know, we regularly speak to customers about the best kind of methods to try it out. And I think from our perspective, yeah, giving yourself enough periods to make sure that when you have the right size cup because actually it’s not about slow, it’s about size and yeah. And therefore it can be different for different women. So it’s about making sure that you have well and also size as in how low down the size is. And I think it’s yeah, definitely about finding the right cup as well. 

And with our cup we have like an extra layer of silicon, so it’s really silky soft, which also helps. But yeah, I think. I think. Yeah. Just giving yourself enough time to make sure that it works for you. Because we’re often asking you, should you feel anything? Should you feel that the sort of that you can start to remove? And, and it’s a lot that there is kind of troubleshooting, but actually once you kind of address the concerns, I think women really. Yes.suit really well in terms of leaks. I think the biggest thing with leaks is that actually the cup hasn’t opened properly and it hasn’t created a suction seal, which again is just a matter of troubleshooting. You know, we recommend obviously washing your hands. You just run your finger around and the rim and it should hopefully open up the cup fully and that will create the suction seal. And so, so yeah, so there are a number of kind of top tips. Um, but actually in terms of leaking, it is amazing how much they can hold. And I think even women are really surprised by that. And if it is leaking, it’s most likely not to do with kind of size or shape of them what to do with that. It hasn’t yet created the suction seal. 

Le’Nise: Yeah, I think just on the size of the cup, what I would add, this is a kind of general comment for the. Yes. That I would actually love to see more, larger cups because yeah, some of my clients, they it’s they have very heavy flows and they’ll they’ll have to change their cup more frequently. And they don’t, they don’t love that. And they would love to have like a cup that would hold. I think the largest I’ve seen is 60 millilitres. Okay. Yeah. And they, that’s where the kind of feedback that I get. Yeah. Like where are the larger. Yeah. There are the larger cups because when you look at the, the, the period underwear market you have to see like more of that kind of very heavy flow product kind of starting. 

So you’ve talked about the menstrual cup, the stain remover I know you have period underwear as well. Yeah. What do you what what is what do you want? Like, how do you want this market to move forward? It’s quite vibrant at the moment. You know what where like if you kind of look at the fem care market, what are your or your thoughts on where it is now versus where it was when you were even in the planning stages of starting &SISTERS.

Lucy: Yeah, definitely. I mean, you mentioned a couple of other other brands, but I think the thing is, is all of the all of us kind of challenges are are, you know, as one. And actually really it’s kind of taking on the sort of conventional and mainstream market. And I think that, you know, as women, we we deserve better products. We, you know, we we should have access to them. And I think that really is our biggest challenge, making these products that we know are better for our bodies accessible to to everyone. And actually, yeah, you know, eating a little bit of the pie that the conventional products take and really that that is the end goal. 

I think, you know, along the way it is there’s so much to be done in terms of educating women. I think even for myself as a teenager, I was using, you know, Always scented, you know, the worst possible product. And therefore, it really wasn’t a surprise that you have, you know, vaginal irritation or, you know, thrush and, you know, all of these things because the products we’re using obviously not great for such a sensitive area and are known to cause vaginal irritation and disrupt the natural pH of the area. So I think, you know, from from that perspective is this that there’s so much to be done on the kind of the journey to get there and education or even re-education. Because, you know, as we are teenagers, you know, often you don’t know what’s in your products and you haven’t had to kind of have ingredients on on the box. So they don’t and they’re full of nasties, you know, perfumes and yeah, I mean, so many kind of irritants and nasties. So I think. That’s sort of the end goal right there. But I think the kind of yeah, the journey to get there is so much about education and making sure that we can get our products to sort of as many women as possible. And yeah. 

Le’Nise: Fantastic. I think it’s such a great mission and I love what you and your mom are doing with your company. I just I’m always looking for these sort of products to talk about and recommend. So. Yeah, I love it. Keep going. 

Lucy: Thank you. 

Le’Nise: When you just to kind of wrap up our conversation, if you had to leave listeners with one thought to kind of go away with, what would you want that to be? 

Lucy: I think definitely to find out and research questions that you ever have about yourself and your menstrual health and general well-being. Because I think information is so powerful, and I think I’m kind of lucky enough to be in this space and to have learnt so much about my menstrual health and well-being and hormones. And I think that in itself has been so empowering. And and yet, you know, I recently had a baby, so actually I’ve this the whole kind of yeah. Menstrual health period health, monthly well-being is so important when we embark on these different parts of our life. And I just think that empowering yourself with with the knowledge is so important. And actually part of the &SISTERS ambition as well, to be able to provide women with the kind of resources and information to help them make decisions. And because there is is there is a lot of information out there, but it’s not always kind of promoted. So yeah, I would I would recommend women always empower themselves with as much kind of knowledge as possible to be able to make decisions, whether it’s about contraception or any anything else that actually to kind of ask these questions because yeah, often women feel kind of isolated with the issue but actually when you go out there and seek answers, you realise that you are not alone and that many of these issues, many women experience and there’s a lot of support of that. So. Yes. 

Le’Nise: Brilliant. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. It’s been so great to talk to you and learn more about you your first period. 

Lucy: Thank you so much for having me. It’s been amazing.

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