In this week’s episode of Period Story, I’m so happy to share my conversation with Nina Cassells, the founder and managing director of the charity Project Period. Nina started the charity when she was 17 (!!!), with the aim of empowering young women in Kibera, the largest slum in Kenya by providing reusable and sustainable menstrual products.
In this episode, Nina shares:
- The epiphany she had that led to her starting Project Period
- How not having the right period products can affect a girl’s ability to go to school when they have their period
- Why a menstrual cup can help support five years of education
- The process of distributing 200 menstrual cups on her first trip to Kibera
- The lessons her and the team learned that led to the installation of a water generator that turns condensation into water so that the girls have clean water to wash their cups
- How Project Period is fundraising for their next trip to Kenya in July (every donation makes a difference!)
- And of course, the story of her first period!
Nina says that one menstrual cup can support five years of a girl’s education – how amazing is that!
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Le’Nise: Thank you so much for coming on the show today, Nina, I’m really excited. I’m excited to speak to learning more about what you do, the work that you do in Kenya. And of course, not forgetting the story of your very first period. So can you tell us a little bit more about what happened?
Nina: So I started my period when I was ten, so I was pretty young and I think because of that I just didn’t like, it wasn’t on my mind at all with my friends is it wasn’t something we spoke about. And I just remember coming downstairs and it was like a Saturday or something, and my dad just looked at me. He goes, You need to talk to your mom. I was like, Okay, cool. And I go upstairs and I say, Hi Mom, and she’s like, you’ve started your period. And when I was ten, it felt like they had like some weird, like, mystical connection, and they just magically knew that I started my period. But then it turns out that I just had like my pyjama trousers which is covered in blood, and I was just so unaware that I didn’t even realise that that was what was going on. Yeah. So my mom, my mom gave me a pad and I just remember feeling like I have this, like, secret that I could tell anyone. And I remember only telling one person. I told my best friend. I remember we were walking home and I was like to tell you what’s well. I started my period and I remember thinking it was like the biggest thing I could ever tell anyone and feeling like I had to keep it private as well.
Le’Nise: Why did you feel like you had to keep it private?
Nina: I think because I was like. Quite aware that I was quite young to start it, and I knew that none of. My other friends had. And. Yeah. And I think I think also because I started puberty young anyway, so I started growing boobs that I was like eight or nine and even that I felt like a huge shame around that because my chest is growing and everyone still look like children and with boobs it’s like it’s very it’s like it was pretty obvious that I was getting boobs and I remember, like, feeling. Like people really looking at me and people making comments like if they could see that, like they can like see my bra strap or something. Like, why are you wearing that? What are you doing? You’re so young. What are you doing? So I think because of feeling like that, when I’d grown boobs and then like going to the next starting a period, I just wanted to. Like it. Eradicate that from happening. I didn’t want anyone to know so that no one could comment on it. Yeah.
Le’Nise: And so you’re ten. So was that year four, year five.
Nina: Year five. Yeah.
Le’Nise: Yeah. Well okay. And so had you had any education about what was, what was happening to you, had you done it in like PSHME in school.
Nina: Yeah. We had, we had sex ed in year four so, the year before. And the thing about that was I was the only black girl in my school cause I grew up in a very, very white area. And I remember the video they showed us the guy was white and the girl was black, and it was like a cartoon. I just remember thinking, everyone’s going to think I’m on my period, everyone’s going to think this video is directly about me, everyone’s going to know. And then then being the first girl in my class to actually start my period, it was just all over again, just intensely. Everyone going to know because we watched the sex ed video and it was a black girl. And obviously about me, I’m going back to school. I like a lot of going round and round in my head. Yeah, I it’s funny, I don’t. We have been had sex ed again in year six when we were 11 and that was like a week long, like we had an hour session every single day for a week. I remember that one. That’s when they spoke about sex and everyone was really excited about that. But yeah, in year nine that’s when we spoke about the the like they called puberty.
Nina: And. Yeah. So I don’t I don’t I don’t remember too much about the specifics of I just remember the, the cartoon and it being a black woman. Right. And just, oh my God, I don’t know.
Le’Nise: When you were the first of your friends to get your period, and then when your other friends started to get their periods, were they coming to you to ask questions?
Nina: I’m. I don’t because I don’t think I. Because I know that I was the first girl in retrospect, like talking to friends or people I grew up with now and talking to them about periods when they started. But I don’t think I had a conversation with my friends about periods till I was like. I don’t know. Like, Oh, God. Maybe. Maybe. 13,14. It just wasn’t something we spoke about. At all. Yeah. And I remember talking to, when I was in secondary schools when I was around like 12, 13. I remember talking to. My friends because they would always ask to like they’d also want if they can borrow a tampon, if they had a tampon. Then thinking tampons terrified me. There was no way I could use them. And feeling very. Left out. And it’s weird because I went from starting my period and feeling like too old, like I was too young for my body and then not wanting to graduate from pads to tampons and everyone else’s on tampons. And suddenly I felt like the young one was still using pads. But yeah, we apart from that. I don’t. I don’t. Yeah, because we didn’t have conversations about that.
Le’Nise: What was it about tampons that you found terrifying?
Nina: Just the idea of inserting something into me. And I remember the first time I tried to use one, I was just convinced I didn’t have a hole. I just remember my mom and dad saying, I don’t have a hole. So it’s not going to work for me. You can use that, but no, not going to work for me. Yeah. And then and then feeling too embarrassed, like to talk to my friends about that. Which is funny because now I talk about it all the time, especially with Project Period. And so many people have the exact same experience of believing they didn’t have a hole because they just didn’t know where to put it. And I hadn’t even, I hadn’t even looked at my vagina. I didn’t even know what it looked like. I was just like feeling around blindly trying to find this place that was meant to go in and. And yeah, I always found even when I started using tampons, I was really uncomfortable. Uh, I didn’t like using them at all. Felt like I kind of had to because I was I don’t know. I felt like it made me seem older and more mature. And also just because of the convenience of that. Yeah.
Le’Nise: Right. That’s interesting. Tampons making you feel older and more mature. That’s so interesting. I haven’t. I hadn’t heard that before.
Nina: Maybe it’s just in my head.
Le’Nise: No, but I kind of. I get that because it just. I guess it just feels a bit more sophisticated in certain things versus.
Le’Nise: Placing something into your underwear.
Nina: Yeah. Even like, maybe this. Just. Maybe even at. Applicator, tampon and just a regular tampon. My brain, the sophisticated women don’t use in applicator, lady. The little the little white thing, and they just shove it in. That’s like top tier sophistication, which I never got to.
Le’Nise: And so you you had your period. You got your period really young, and then slowly your friends started to get it. But there wasn’t really very much conversation in your friend group about it when you were young. What was your period like as you kind of went into your teen years?
Nina: So my period was pretty irregular. I had really, really painful periods, so I would have pain the week before, the week during and the week after my periods. So there was only one week in a month where I wasn’t in pain and. And then the doctors put me on stronger painkillers and then they didn’t work and they doubled my dosage and they didn’t work and they doubled my dosage again. And then eventually, my dad was just like, I’m. You need to find some other solution because if you’re 12 and they already doubled dosing dosage twice, you imagine what you’re going to be like at 30, you know.
And then I went on the contraceptive pill when I was 15 to help with pain. Yeah. I’ve been on the pill now for eight years. And. Yeah. Which, which is weird because I don’t. I’ve only ever known, like the cycle that I have with my pill, which is I have my periods every 28 days, and I have at maybe four or five days. It’s pretty light. And I only really have pain the first two days of my period. It drastically changed from when I was younger and I wasn’t on the pill.
Le’Nise: And then just thinking about the experience that you had with your period going on the on the pill and the education that you had in school, learning about period puberty, sex and periods. What sort of education did you have about going on the pill? Did the doctors tell you about what to expect? Talk to you about any of the side effects? Or was it kind of like, try these?
Nina: Oh, yeah. Like none at all. No conversation at all. I remember my I remember my doctor was very cautious about putting me on the pill and. I think because they thought I was too, I was too young to start using the pill. But as I said, for me, that was the best option because I didn’t want to just keep pumping more painkillers into me. Yeah. I don’t. I don’t remember any conversation about side effects. It was all just about how to use it, make sure you take this pill once a day, you have a week when you have your periods. And I was really lucky. I only got and you got the good side effects, like I got clear skin and bigger boobs. So I was very fortunate and really, really fortunate. I didn’t I didn’t experience any any mood swings or, like, irregular periods. I’m. And I’ve been using the same pill this whole time. And I’ve it’s been been fine for me, really. So I was I was very lucky. I know a lot of people have the pill just doesn’t work for them and they have a lot of the other side effects.
Le’Nise: What I found really fascinating is the fact that you kind of did this 180 from when learning about periods, getting it really early, not talking to your friends about it at all, to then founding a charity called Project Period, where, you know, at the heart it’s about, you know, teaching.
Nina: It’s all we talk about.
Le’Nise: Yeah, exactly. So what inspired this kind of 180? What inspired you to focus on menstrual education?
Nina: So. So I’m Kenyan and my mom’s Kenyan and we were visiting my granddad in 2017 in the Easter holidays and my mum. My mom was friends with a guy called Patrick, and he runs a charity in Kibera, which is the biggest slum in Nairobi. And that that charities that they sponsor kids to stay in school.
So whilst we were out there, my mum went out with him and was like, I’d really like to take my daughters to see what the schools like and to talk to the children. So we did that. Me and my sister, my youngest sister, and we went to see St Juliet’s, which is a school that we still go to now as a charity. And I was talking to the girls about their experience of going to school there and how SpurAfrika helps them, helps them stay in school. But a lot of them were saying how even though they’ve been given the funding to stay in school, if they’re on their period and they don’t have pads, they then can’t make it into school anyway because they don’t want to leak whilst they’re in school. They don’t wanna leak in front of their teachers or their peers, which is really, I think, completely understandable. And so they have been faced with this issue every single month.
And I’d been hearing about the menstrual cup because like I said before, I’ve never really gone with tampons. Didn’t really like the inconvenience of pads, so I was kind of looking for alternatives. I hadn’t tried it yet, but I’ve heard about it. And, you know, I remember thinking like, oh, this menstrual cup I’ve been hearing about lasts for five years. If you give a girl that then that supports five years of her education and. And then I just kind of. Yeah, it was weird because I had never done charity walk before and I’d never. Felt like a huge. I’m not I don’t have. Passion is the right word. I guess like. The way I started the charity was because I kept thinking, I’ve got this idea. I’m in a very privileged position. I live in the Western world. I come from a middle class family. What reason do I have to not start this charity? I couldn’t think of any reasons. So I just felt like, okay, cool. That’s my that’s my responsibility. Now I need to now I need to take this on and this is what I need to do.
And originally it only started is like a one year project. I thought, we’ll do that one time. It was it was our last year at secondary school and I just thought this will be like maybe our, like, final hurrah. This will be and then I’ll go on into my adult life. I never thought that five years later we would still be going, which is amazing. And I’m so happy that we are. But it’s just funny that I just I didn’t I didn’t have that vision for it in the beginning. I was purely just like, let’s buy 200 menstrual cups and take them to Kenya and teach girls how to use them. That was my goal.
Le’Nise: That’s amazing. So you were how old were you when you went there to the school the first time?
Nina: We were 17, 18. There were six of us. So different ages but around that age.
Le’Nise: Okay. And so you were when you you went to the school, like to deliver the cups the first time when you were 17. 18. And so you had this this kind of epiphany when you were like, what? Around the same time, 16?
Nina: So yeah. So the the trip. The trip the way I got the idea, I was 17 and that was April and then I started the charity in October. I was 17 within the same year.
Le’Nise: Wow. That’s amazing. That is. That is amazing. Amazing. And can you talk a little bit about the impact that that having the menstrual cups has had on these girls and their education?
Nina: Well, I think one of the main. The. One of the main driving forces of the charity, of of Project Period is that we don’t want the girls to have to rely on us in order to complete their education. We want to be able to give them this cup, teach them how to use it, and then they’re free for five years. Because the thing with giving someone a disposable sanitary product is they have to come back to you every single month and they’re constantly relying on you. And that doesn’t give anyone a sense of independence over their own body and over their own future because they’re constantly having to rely on this other person to help them go through in life. Whereas I think what we want to do is give is give them the tool, teach them how to use it, and then they can go forward with that. Kind of like that saying of. If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, and if you teach them how to fish, you feed him for life. That that going with that kind of philosophy and. So yeah, a lot. A lot.
We on our second trip, we went back to the school that we went on our first trip. That was really amazing because we spoke to girls that were still, still using the cup and teachers that had started using the cup. Some people’s parents wanted to start using the cup and and that was really. Yeah, it was really, really promising and made me feel very hopeful for the future and.
I do want to say that also, we’re a very young charity and. We are five girls that are really passionate about what we’re doing, but we’re still learning as we go and there are problems that arise that we then have to figure out ways to fix or go around because Kibera is a completely different world, a different world to the world that we live in.
So, for example, we gave we gave I think was 150 cups to St Juliet’s in our second trip. And then we were talking to the teachers afterwards and the people of SpurAfrika just to give us feedback to see how it’s going. And they’re like, Yeah, you know, it’s great that you’ve given them this cup, but they don’t have access to clean water, so how are they going to clean them? And of course, I don’t think about that because I just have a tap but that’s not their reality.
So then in our next trip, which we did last year and we installed a water generator into the school that turned condensation into water that they have access to water to then clean their cups. So slowly we’re just trying to figure out how we can. You know, open all the doors for them and eradicate anything that blocks them from completing their education. And that is a is a slow process. We think it’s a really important one because there’s no point giving the girl a cup tf she then can’t clean it. It just defeats, defeats the whole point of the project. And so, yeah, that’s something we’re still going forward with.
Le’Nise: Yeah, that’s really interesting because you kind of have this vision of people from the West going into different countries in Africa on these charitable projects, but and having this kind of utopian like vision of what they can do. But then, you know, you go there and get faced with the reality. So, you know, Kibera being like, is it the largest slum in Kenya?
Nina: Yes. And I’m 90% sure it’s the largest slum in Africa. It’s definitely the largest slum in Kenya.
Le’Nise: Yeah. And so, you know, you have issues with sanitation and, you know, access to clean water. And what I find quite inspiring is the fact that you were able to kind of regroup and find a solution that was really helpful for the girls. So it meant that they were able to continue to use the cups. But what I also read on your website was that before you had the the what is it, the water? The water generator. Yeah. You also provided them with sanitation pots.
Le’Nise: Can you talk a bit about that.
Nina: So on our first trip we provided the girls with menstrual cups and then the feedback we got from that was when they got home. They didn’t want their parents, obviously didn’t want them using the cups that they out or like or the the pans that they used to cook to clean their cups and. So then that meant the girls stopped cleaning them, which can cause infection and can get really dangerous.
So the next trip we went on, which would have been 2019. We bought sanitation pots which are little like silicone round containers that you can decompress to make smaller and then you can enlarge. And when you put that, when you put the cup in it and and it just means that the girls have something that’s just for that cup and it’s just for them and they can clean it privately and, um, and then, and then also it just helps with sanitation as well that, that keeping the things that they eat with and the things that they use for their body separate. And so now we that’s just now a regular practice and we’ll always be bringing those with us.
Le’Nise: That’s really interesting. And I wonder what was the reaction initially to the girls and then their parents receiving the cup? Because thinking back to your own experience where, you know, there was this kind of barrier in your mind around using tampons and this you didn’t basically you didn’t understand, you know, there was like three, there’s three holes, you know, round the vagina and then the anus. What was that education process like, you know, getting? Because that probably is a barrier if with many of them probably using like pieces of cloth or, you know, other kind of found objects to manage their periods.
Nina: Yeah. It is a huge obstacle and. And. And we’re really lucky because the the schools that we go to and the charities that we work with, that link with the schools they’re doing so much work to eradicate that. And so in St Juliet, the head teacher teacher Chris, he’s just an amazing man and he’s very, very set on making sure that all the students get a proper sex education and they all know about their bodies. And and we used to work with a charity called Garden of Hope, and they have a programme where they go into schools specifically to teach them about sex and about menstruation, and to make sure that the girls have the right education and knowledge about what their bodies are going through.
And so when we do our workshops, we do cover a little bit of that. And we try and talk to the girls as openly as possible because we’re young women as well. We’re usually of the same age as them. We can connect with them in that way. But most of the groundwork is being done by Garden of Hope and SpurAfrika and these other charities and organisations that are in Kibera and working with these girls on a regular basis. So it is it is something that is growing and I know Garden of Hope of trying to get it into, into like every education systems that they’re talking to the Board of Education to try and make sure that this is something that is happening every school. But it is just, it’s just a process. It’s it’s starting. It’s nowhere near where it needs to be, but. Yeah. I mean, hats off to SpurAfriKa and Garden of Hope. I mean, they’re really, really amazing organisations.
Le’Nise: And having spoken to the girls who have had the cups and then their mums wanting one and then so on and so forth. Can you just talk a little bit more about the, the kind of wider impact that you’ve seen of Project Period so far?
Nina: Well, I think I think one of the, I remember my first trip, one of the things that struck me was a lot of a lot of charities that visit Kibera, a lot of charities that come from the West are run by white people. So in these kind of communities, that vision of success and wealth is in the body of a white person.
So when we came because three for me, Tara and Susanna, we’re all black woman, when we come and live with black women who come from the West, we’re middle class women. It’s amazing to see that shift in perspective and shift ibn how they view themselves, because suddenly they’re all women, all coming here to provide them with something and can be a model of success in a way that look like them. I think that that is really, really important. And to be able to change that narrative for them.
And that was something that I didn’t expect at all to happen. It wasn’t something that I’d ever, I’d ever thought about. Yeah, I do. I do think. And I get reaction when I say that I’m Kenyan. They’re like, What? You’re Kenyan. Oh, yeah, no way. And then and then Susanna and Tara are like, Yeah, we’re Nigerian. And they’re like, Whoa, yeah, it’s great. It’s like is it’s really, really nice to think that I can, like, connect to a country that my family comes from in that way and give back. Yeah, that and that was just something that was really. Really thought provoking, actually, something that still amazes me now.
Le’Nise: Can you just talk a little bit about, you know, the the the work that you do with Project Period, You do give these cups and the sanitation pots and then now the water. Well, what is the name of the water generator? But then the other side of it is menstrual education. So having learning how to use the cup and then the conversations around that. Can you talk about the difference that you’ve seen in those conversations in Kenya and like, you know, your direct experience versus what we see here in the UK? Or is there a difference?
Nina: It’s interesting because. I think like my first thought is there is a difference. But having spoken to you and gone through how I experienced my period, I’m now thinking, actually, maybe that isn’t as big a difference as I thought there was. Because the girls, the girls we talk to, they range from 10 to 18 years old and we really try to get them talking about their periods and their experience with it and sharing with each other and as a way to connect with each other and just kind of appreciate that as women, we’re all going through the same thing and we can help each other by sharing our experiences and.
In the beginning. In the beginning that’s quite uncomfortable for a lot of them. And. And it does take I mean, towards the end of the workshop, there are a lot, a lot more chatty. And but it does take us to be able to say this was our experience about periods. How how about, you know, kind of showing them like, it’s okay, we feel okay. Talking about this is not awkward. And now I’m thinking about when I was that age, when I was in like, secondary school. If someone had come into my school and asked me to talk about my period, I probably would have felt the same. I probably would have felt awkward and just kind of like, Who are you to ask me about my body and my period? Like. Yeah. And I hadn’t. Yeah, it’s interesting. I hadn’t. I hadn’t thought about that, actually, but. Yeah, I do. I do think at that age because your body’s like, your body’s changing and they’re all changing at different times and you don’t know where everyone else is in their journey of puberty. I think it’s a lot easier now as an adult because I know we’ve all started our periods. Yeah, I know that. And we’ve all had it for a couple of years now. Whereas at that point those transitions, they’re always a bit sticky aren’t they? Yeah. Well just feels like ooh that’s been a while ago and what is happening here.
And I think I felt. I think I felt that the same. I remember when I had had the Sex Education Week when I was 11. I just remember we we’re all sat in silence. Like, just not not even breathing, not even looking at each other. Because I can’t believe we’re learning about this thing. Oh, my God. What is going on? So yeah, I do think it is a it is a similar. A similar experience in that way.
Le’Nise: Yeah. So that transition into puberty and, you know, getting learning about periods is universal then it sounds.
Nina: I think I think, Oh, yeah.
Le’Nise: And the awkwardness.
Nina: Yeah. Because no matter how how many videos you watch, how many teachers tell you about it when you’re actually experiencing it yourself is still such a unique experience and you’ll end. Yeah. And. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do think it’s just. Just that awkward phase that we all have to go through.
Le’Nise: Yeah. Yeah. So you have a trip coming up in July, so talk a little bit about that trip, what you’re planning to do on that trip and like the fundraising work you’re doing to support you going you and the team going out there.
Nina: So this year we are hoping to give 500 menstrual cups to 500 girls, which is like over double the amount that we usually do. And one of our main focuses is going back to the school that we were at before St Juliet and giving each girl a good amount of time to be able to talk to us about their experience. And we want specific details, feedback and, and giving each girl the time to actually feel comfortable. Feel comfortable with us. Reflect on her experience and then be able to retell. Because I think one of the most important things is making sure that we’re not just repeating the same mistakes blindly.
And the more feedback we can get, the more we can perfect the work that we do out there. And so that alongside going to the schools, giving the workshops, giving the menstrual cups and the sanitation pots, the other really key focus is gathering that feedback and making sure that the next time we go, we have even more information and we know exactly what we’re talking with in even more detail.
And fundraising wise, so most of the fundraising we do is through events. And so our last event was a comedy night that was just before Christmas, which was really, really fun. And set up by a really cool collective called On The Common. And the next. The next event we have is a karaoke night in two weeks. And so usually we just charge on the door. People can pay as much or as little as they like, and we have a Just Giving pagepeople can donate on our website. So we really, really rely a lot on individual donations, which is something we’re trying to move away from we’re really looking for a company or a person that can sponsor us, so that we can spend more time planning the trip, perfecting the trip, meeting more people when we’re out there in Kenya, because at the moment we spend all of our time fundraising money and. It just isn’t, is it, where our focus needs to be because it aside from getting us to Kenya, it doesn’t really have anything to do with the work that we want to do.
And there’s so many new avenues we want to go down, places we want to grow. But having so much effort on the fundraising side of it really limits us in the amount that we can do. So yeah, we’re just talking to loads of different people trying to see how we can get sponsorship, what the process of that is. Yeah. So we’re in a new transition, I think as the charity, as we start to grow and develop.
Le’Nise: Though all the links for the pages that you just mentioned will be in the show notes. So anything you can donate will help this amazing project. I think it’s fantastic what you’re doing. So you’re going in July. You want to do something even bigger. What’s the kind of like if you say like three, four years down the line? What’s the kind of long, long term goal?
Nina: I think we want to be having. We want to be doing more trips in a year. We want to be doing three or four trips a year. We’d really like to have a Kenya based team that can connect with the schools more regularly and speak Swahili as well, just to make sure there’s no language barrier. And someone that we as the London, London team can touch base with.
And also, I know something that we really want to do is to offer projects in different parts of Africa. So Susanna and Tara, both Nigerian and we’d love to be able to go to Nigeria and set up a project there and start talking, working with the girls there and just. Yeah, expanding to different different areas in Kenya, Nigeria. And we were talking to a woman in South Africa and.
But also making sure that. No matter how large we grow, the focus and the roots of our charity stay the same. And. We always want that to be a focus on sustainability and we always want to. Be in a process of learning because. No matter how much we go to Kibera or other slums or poorer areas in Africa, we will always have something to learn about their experience that is so far away from us. And I think it’s important that we’re always learning and we never feel like. And we. Have all the knowledge and know everything, because that’s when I think mistakes can happen. And. Always just trying to figure out how we can combat those barriers, whether it’s the sanitation pots or as water or providing the girls with underwear, confidence, all these different things. Yeah. And just keep, keep educating ourselves. Keep growing. Keep connecting, building. Network of women that. Use menstrual cups, and I’m proud of that.
Le’Nise: Yeah, amazing. I think what you’re doing is fantastic, and especially to have had this vision and this epiphany to start this project, this charity at such a young age, I think it’s absolutely brilliant. So all the links will be in the show notes for listeners that want to find out more, that want to donate, you know, every little bit counts. So yeah, what’s the one thought that you want to leave listeners with today?
Nina: And. Oh, gosh. Oh, I think. I think just. I think just knowing that. Every every little helps and not in in terms of just donating, but in terms of your community, connecting to people and finding your path as well. Finding things that you care about and. I don’t. I don’t think. How do I put that? I think we can always achieve more and do more than we think we can, that we give ourselves credit. That we can and. Like, I would never have thought that I’d be running a charity for five years now. But. I. I am. And I. Yeah. And I. Yeah. I just think. I just think we need to. Give ourselves more, more credit.
Le’Nise: I think it’s amazing what you’re doing and you know that focus on the community is so powerful and this focus on giving back I think is, is really, really brilliant. And you know, more, more people could really look at how they can give back to the community because we work better together. You know when One group is suffering, you know, it doesn’t you know, it means it doesn’t mean good things for the rest of us. So how can we work to improve the wider community? It’s a brilliant, brilliant thing. So all the links will be in the show notes. I really encourage you to find out more about Project Period, to find out more about Nina and it just check out, check out the website. There’s a lot of information on there. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. It’s been great.
Nina: Thank you for having me. I really enjoyed that.
Le’Nise: It was brilliant. Thank you.